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nomadjack
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| stui magpie wrote: | The article you quoted for me to read.
Lets not even go near how so many "half caste" kids came to be. that's a whole other discussion. I'd be very surprised if more than 20% of them happened voluntarily. |
Still don't know which one you mean Stui. It's not in the Manne article from the Age. Are you talking about the court transcript from the Cubilloo/Gunner case or the Bringing them Home Report? |
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David 
to wish impossible things
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | David wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | | You are a $£$%^%%$ disgrace when you talk about these issues Dave... I'm glad we're not in person having lunch when these things come up! |
everything I say is absolute shit,
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Well said mate and i conclusively agree  |
*kicks Joffa under the table*
Btw Omar, that's fine, and apologies if I offended. I'd just like to see more discussion of these issues rather than a universal consensus (especially when I hold a degree of skepticism about that consensus).
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| nomadjack wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | The article you quoted for me to read.
Lets not even go near how so many "half caste" kids came to be. that's a whole other discussion. I'd be very surprised if more than 20% of them happened voluntarily. |
Still don't know which one you mean Stui. It's not in the Manne article from the Age. Are you talking about the court transcript from the Cubilloo/Gunner case or the Bringing them Home Report? |
The Manne article. Apologies, I drew an inference from the policemans alleged comments objecting to the removal of half castes in which he said no neglect was involved. Manne also states in the article that there is no evidence of full bloods being removed, so I take it the concern wasn't for the Aboriginals per se but for the kids who were deemed to be half white.
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sherrife 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | The article you quoted for me to read.
Lets not even go near how so many "half caste" kids came to be. that's a whole other discussion. I'd be very surprised if more than 20% of them happened voluntarily. |
Still don't know which one you mean Stui. It's not in the Manne article from the Age. Are you talking about the court transcript from the Cubilloo/Gunner case or the Bringing them Home Report? |
The Manne article. Apologies, I drew an inference from the policemans alleged comments objecting to the removal of half castes in which he said no neglect was involved. Manne also states in the article that there is no evidence of full bloods being removed, so I take it the concern wasn't for the Aboriginals per se but for the kids who were deemed to be half white. |
Haven't you seen Rabbit Proof Fence mate? At the very beginning, the police commissioner (or someone like that) is watching a documentary with a politician that explains that after 2 generations of mixing, someone with Indigenous genes (for lack of a better term) can look totally white. They then celebrate this fact, and devise the 'stolen generation policy' around it.
It was a policy of scientific genocide, pure and simple.
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The Prototype 
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
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David
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| sherrife wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | The article you quoted for me to read.
Lets not even go near how so many "half caste" kids came to be. that's a whole other discussion. I'd be very surprised if more than 20% of them happened voluntarily. |
Still don't know which one you mean Stui. It's not in the Manne article from the Age. Are you talking about the court transcript from the Cubilloo/Gunner case or the Bringing them Home Report? |
The Manne article. Apologies, I drew an inference from the policemans alleged comments objecting to the removal of half castes in which he said no neglect was involved. Manne also states in the article that there is no evidence of full bloods being removed, so I take it the concern wasn't for the Aboriginals per se but for the kids who were deemed to be half white. |
Haven't you seen Rabbit Proof Fence mate? At the very beginning, the police commissioner (or someone like that) is watching a documentary with a politician that explains that after 2 generations of mixing, someone with Indigenous genes (for lack of a better term) can look totally white. They then celebrate this fact, and devise the 'stolen generation policy' around it. |
Were they wearing black hats and snidely whiplash moustaches at this point? 
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Pa Marmo
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| sherrife wrote: |
Haven't you seen Rabbit Proof Fence mate? At the very beginning, the police commissioner (or someone like that) is watching a documentary with a politician that explains that after 2 generations of mixing, someone with Indigenous genes (for lack of a better term) can look totally white. They then celebrate this fact, and devise the 'stolen generation policy' around it.
It was a policy of scientific genocide, pure and simple. |
Well it must be true if it was in a movie, as there is no way a movie maker would ever have a particular bias or try to influence with artistic license or straight out lies.
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stui magpie
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| nuxta wrote: | | sherrife wrote: |
Haven't you seen Rabbit Proof Fence mate? At the very beginning, the police commissioner (or someone like that) is watching a documentary with a politician that explains that after 2 generations of mixing, someone with Indigenous genes (for lack of a better term) can look totally white. They then celebrate this fact, and devise the 'stolen generation policy' around it.
It was a policy of scientific genocide, pure and simple. |
Well it must be true if it was in a movie, as there is no way a movie maker would ever have a particular bias or try to influence with artistic license or straight out lies. |
Beat me to it Nuxta.
Geez, I get barreled for quoting a writer people don't like and Omar is putting up a Movie as objective proof?
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sherrife
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Okay okay I accept that a movie isn't much proof. Whoops. 
Really, I just can't motivate myself to find proof for such a bloody self-evident issue.
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Alec. J. Hidell
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I used to work with a Koori education officer.
One day over lunch I said to her "Why do you think people hate indigenous people so much?"
She looked at me strangely for a little while and said "No, you've got it all wrong, they don't hate us. It's fear, they fear us because they believe we are different to them"
Made it all much clearer to me after that.
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member34258
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| sherrife wrote: | Okay okay I accept that a movie isn't much proof. Whoops.
Really, I just can't motivate myself to find proof for such a bloody self-evident issue. |
sherrife, the same people attacking you for believing in a movie version of events, are the same people who believed in children overboard. Why? Because Andrew said it happened!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Only the people involved can have a justifiable opinion. As those people are not yo, me or it appears any posters on Nicks, then we should all take a step back and let these people follow the lawful process that is in front of them. |
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stui magpie
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Only the people involved can have a truly informed opinion, that doesn't mean we can't have our own. Sometimes people closest to a situation are in the worst position to be objective. By all means, let anyone take whatever legal action they feel inclined to take to seek redress, it's supposed to be there for everyone.
And on your other comment about hate and fear, I don't believe I hate or fear any race; creed or religion. There are groups within that I have less respect for than others and some I actively dislike (eg the fundamentalist islamists who advocate violence and taking innocent lives to prove a point) but I don't believe in tarring a whole group with the same brush.
I've heard the "people fear what they don't understand" line before and while there's some truth in it, it's an oversimplification. European countries that colonised other parts of the world didn't neccesarily hate or fear the locals they ran roughshod over, they just didn't rate them as equals. They believed that themeselves were superior and more "civilised" than the natives they encountered and therefore had the right to treat them as animals.
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member34258
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| stui magpie wrote: |
And on your other comment about hate and fear,
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Hate & fear? Did I say that? Did I? |
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stui magpie
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Whoops, apologies Member, I got you and your evil twin mixed up again.
FFS, get an avatar. Something like a nice piece of jewellery or a cat with a rifle maybe.
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member34258
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Evil twin?
Don't talk about yourself in such negative terms.
P.S. I like pussycats. |
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