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Alec. J. Hidell
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This is a sickening thread.
Some of you people should hang your heads in shame.
Disgusting
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London Dave 
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| noddy, wrote: | London Dave - I'd be interested in hearing you describe specifically what you believe the federal government of the day (of whatever political persuasion) should do to improve life for aboriginals.
Would like to hear from others as well. Remember, I said specific - this means no broad generalist statements like "more education"
there's a lot of noise here and also a lot of the seemingly usual "bag my country and everybody in it" to feel good about myself. |
Solution? If I had one, I'd have send it to the govt. of the day. I would reckon a one size fits all solution won't cut it, would probably require a variety of programs tailored to each community.... what precisely they would be would, I suppose, be worked out by the govt. and the community. The fact I personally have no solution in no way changes the reality of the situation.
I am not 'bagging my country' etc. Simply stating a fact. The living conditions (and the treatment) of the indigenous has been and remains a disgrace. Howard's intervention may work (I hope it does), or it may not, but the problem needs to be solved.
Whatever's been done in the past hasn't worked, in the main. I think NP mentioned throwing money at it won't work. Agree. |
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Northern Pie
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| Frank Stone wrote: | This is a sickening thread.
Some of you people should hang your heads in shame.
Disgusting |
Adding to the topic again I see.....
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stui magpie 
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| London Dave wrote: | | noddy, wrote: | London Dave - I'd be interested in hearing you describe specifically what you believe the federal government of the day (of whatever political persuasion) should do to improve life for aboriginals.
Would like to hear from others as well. Remember, I said specific - this means no broad generalist statements like "more education"
there's a lot of noise here and also a lot of the seemingly usual "bag my country and everybody in it" to feel good about myself. |
Solution? If I had one, I'd have send it to the govt. of the day. I would reckon a one size fits all solution won't cut it, would probably require a variety of programs tailored to each community.... what precisely they would be would, I suppose, be worked out by the govt. and the community. The fact I personally have no solution in no way changes the reality of the situation.
I am not 'bagging my country' etc. Simply stating a fact. The living conditions (and the treatment) of the indigenous has been and remains a disgrace. Howard's intervention may work (I hope it does), or it may not, but the problem needs to be solved.
Whatever's been done in the past hasn't worked, in the main. I think NP mentioned throwing money at it won't work. Agree. |
Bingo, because the issue isn't consistent. City/suburban Aboriginals have different issues to rural Aboriginals have different issue to those Aboriginals living a "traditional lifestyle" in various forms.
I used to work with an Aboriginal woman whose role was as a specialist liason to get more Aboriginals into the workforce. She was recognised as an elder in her community, even though she came from Qld down to Melbourne.
Her and I had a few quite robust discussions on issues and I was about the only one to do so because most were either too PC to challenge or too set in their ways to listen.
I argued with her, and listened. She listened to me as well and there was never any acrimony on either side. I learned quite a bit from her.
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EBB
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It is tragedy, a real shame what white man did back then, during and even still today, we treat aboriginals poorly or we turn a blind eye to what the government "is" or "isn't" doing.
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stui magpie
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The government (s) federal and state are one issue. General society is another.
There's very little difference between the suburban aboriginals doing it hard to any other ethnic group in the same situation. Products of upbringing and society.
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Proud Pies
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i'm still stuck on page 3 of this thread, David, i really can't read your drivel any longer. Obviously being home schooled had a big influence on your outlook on life that the past few years of being in the real world hasn't been able to erase.
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Proud Pies
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here's another take on a similar situation.......
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/03/08/the_japan_that_cant_say_sorry/
| Quote: | The Japan that can't say sorry
March 8, 2007
BY DENYING THAT Japan's military coerced women in conquered countries into sex slavery between 1937 and 1945, and by refusing to issue an official apology for those crimes against humanity, Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has added fresh insult to old injuries suffered by "comfort women" who are still alive today. He has also revived resentment and mistrust of Japan among its Asian neighbors and its American allies.
Abe's denial of the need for an official admission of guilt for the suffering of some 200,000 women who were kept in military brothels should not be taken as a reflection on the Japanese people. Rather it is symptomatic of the nationalism Abe and other rightists within the governing Liberal Democratic Party have employed as a stepping stone to power. |
And there are many many aboriginals who were part of the stolen generation (which according to Andrew Bolt, didn't happen) who are still alive today. I'm sure they'd appreciate an apology.
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Proud Pies
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| sherrife wrote: | You're all too right. We would have succeeded in totally eliminating more than 500 distinct language and culture groups.
What a dream you've got there mate, what a beautiful dream. |
yep. Wagiman language is a near extinct aboriginal language spoken by less than 10 people. That's 10 people out of 21 million!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagiman
I worked with a guy who wrote his thesis on this language. The stories he told were amazing about this language which was dying out. Just like so many other aboriginal languages. Anthony Cook.
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EBB
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| Proud Pies wrote: |
yep. Wagiman language is a near extinct aboriginal language spoken by less than 10 people. That's 10 people out of 21 million! |
When I was in High School we were taught pitjantjatjara. The following year it was replaced with German. 
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Proud Pies
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| EBB wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: |
yep. Wagiman language is a near extinct aboriginal language spoken by less than 10 people. That's 10 people out of 21 million! |
When I was in High School we were taught pitjantjatjara. The following year it was replaced with German. |
and i'm all for our kids learning an aboriginal language in schools, rather than......French, German, Japanese, etc.
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John Wren 
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| Proud Pies wrote: | | EBB wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: |
yep. Wagiman language is a near extinct aboriginal language spoken by less than 10 people. That's 10 people out of 21 million! |
When I was in High School we were taught pitjantjatjara. The following year it was replaced with German. |
and i'm all for our kids learning an aboriginal language in schools, rather than......French, German, Japanese, etc. |
while there are an extensive number of aborigine languages and/or dialects does australia have an official language? maori is an official language of nz and all government departments must incorporate and have considertaion for the treaty of waitangi and its principles in anything they do. map references must have maori translation but maori is not often spoken in public.
how much classroom time is dedicated to learning about their history?
i'm not sure what use learning the language will do unless it is complemented by social and historical lessons.
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EBB
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| Jock McPie wrote: |
while there are an extensive number of aborigine languages and/or dialects does australia have an official language? |
Yep, 'the kings english'.
.."white man came took everything"
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joffa corfe
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Happy to get back to you on this one David as im currently speaking to several Koori elders, One who has already explained that the devastation of the Aboriginal race in Tasmania was carried out like a cull
be back soon mate 
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Alec. J. Hidell
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[quote="Northern Pie"] | Frank Stone wrote: | This is a sickening thread.
Some of you people should hang your heads in shame.
Disgusting |
Adding to the topic again I see.....
Cheers[quote="Northern Pie"]
My minor comment had far more substance to it than your pages of vitriolic hate filled crap.
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