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London Dave 
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Joined: 16 Dec 1998
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| member34258 wrote: | | First up, the Democrats are dead. Without Don Chipp they were always going to fade, but the question needs to be asked, have the Australian public ever forgiven them for the GST? |
Yup, 100% agree.
| member34258 wrote: | | Secondly, The greens may yet hold the balance of power in the senate. It will be weeks before we know, but the environment is now a huge political issue. An issue addressed to late by Howard and one reason for his defeat. I see last night the greens even out polled a Lib in a NSW lower house seat. They will only get bigger over the next decade. |
Be interesting to see how greens preferences are split. I would guess they would be used to some degree s a way of voters sending a message on the importance they place on the environment... the giving second pref to the party of their choice.
| member34258 wrote: | | Thirdly, The fallout from the "leaflet" affair. I see the candidate involved has kicked her husband out of the house and is no longer talking to him. She should have done that weeks ago. The result in that seat shows that the Australian public will not take underhanded tactics lightly. |
Hearing the airhead Kelly 'laugh' it off makes you wonder.... whoever tipped off the ALP should get a gong for services to Australian Politics, and would be far better representative of 'liberal' values to boot.
| member34258 wrote: | | Fourthly, Pauline Hanson. Currently on 77,000 votes for a senate seat in QLD. Looks doubtful she will get a quota as that requires 271,000. I doubt she will even get enough votes to do what she did last election. That is pick up $2 per vote. She took away a $300,000 cheque last time on a $10,000 campaign. Better returns than the casino! |
Hanson served her purpose. Howard pinched most of her support after her first run. If the rednecks are dumb enough to waste tax dollars on that bigot, they relly shouldn't complain about anything else.
| member34258 wrote: | | Fifth, MP Nick Xenophon. A one policy candidate who will win an upper house seat. What are his policies? How will he vote? Who knows! Interesting times ahead. |
Just read his Wiki.... anti pokies is OK by me!
| member34258 wrote: | | Sixth, Liberal Party Leadership void. They lost a lot of the youngest and brightest last night, similar to Labor in '96. Now with Howard gone or going, Costello's yellow streak appearing they will turn to Turnball. I'm not sure that's a good thing for them. |
Howard's legacy. It's probably been said before, but Costello should have had the intestinal fortitude to 'do a Keating'. If, as seems highly probable, Howard reneged on 'the deal', it was the only way he'd get to the top job. The real tragedy for the Libs is none of the senior guys had enough guts to tap Howard on the shoulder. At any rate, Costello knows he won't get the top job, and is bowing out.
As far as the line about unions ruining business, I've seen more businesses go belly up thru moronic dumb management totally lacking in any idea how a successful business should be run than through 'union' action.
Secondly, anyone who shit bags a union re health and safety has obviously never had to carry the body of a workmate after management inspired corner cutting/cost cutting resulted in accidents, then go and see his wife and kids.
I'd be reasonably confident Rudd & co should be able to work the art of compromise. People made money in the 80's when the 'unions' were 'in charge', and I'm told it' was a darn sight easier to make moolah then than now.
The libs would have done well to do as the Romans did to their conquering heroes during their triumphs. A slave stood next to the general on his chriot, and as he proceeded thru the cheering crowds, kept repeating in his ear...'remember, you are a man' Howard's demise came about when he probably starting believing his own bullshit. A lesson to us all, that the seeds of your downfall may be planted in the hour of your great triumph |
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member34258
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| Quote: | | As far as the line about unions ruining business, I've seen more businesses go belly up thru moronic dumb management totally lacking in any idea how a successful business should be run than through 'union' action. |
A very true statement.
I feel that people who run a business, based on getting workers for the lowest possible wages/conditions, may not have a viable business to start with. |
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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I wonder if Rudd achieving government is going to stop me from being unfairly dismissed tomorrow?
god knows.
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| David wrote: | I wonder if Rudd achieving government is going to stop me from being unfairly dismissed tomorrow?
god knows. |
You have to wait a bit David.
Unfortunately the Coalition still have total control of the Senate. Until mid 2008 when there will be independents/Greens holding the balance.
I doubt that the repel of the Work(No)Choices legislation can be put through until then.
Despite the fact that this is what the electorate have just asked for. |
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Piethagoras' Theorem 
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
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| member34258 wrote: | A very true statement.
I feel that people who run a business, based on getting workers for the lowest possible wages/conditions, may not have a viable business to start with. |
Try telling that to McDonalds or Nike.
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David
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I'm screwed.
Still, I know too little about workchoices to even know whether it would have made a difference or not.
Grrrr.
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member34258
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Hello emu.
Nike and Macca's have a solid business model, but choose not to pay their employees better.
That's a whole different scenario. |
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Piethagoras' Theorem
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
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Hello you 
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member34258
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| David wrote: | I'm screwed.
Still, I know too little about workchoices to even know whether it would have made a difference or not.
Grrrr. |
My best advise would be to contact your local Trades Hall and seek direction from the union representing your trade/work.
You may have to join up........................ |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| member34258 wrote: | | David wrote: | I wonder if Rudd achieving government is going to stop me from being unfairly dismissed tomorrow?
god knows. |
You have to wait a bit David.
Unfortunately the Coalition still have total control of the Senate. Until mid 2008 when there will be independents/Greens holding the balance.
I doubt that the repel of the Work(No)Choices legislation can be put through until then.
Despite the fact that this is what the electorate have just asked for. |
Correct. The symbolic binning of the workchoices legislation was just that. Symbolic. The law is still the law and all parties need to comply with it until it's not just repealed, but replaced.
I'll be interested to see whether Rudd puts forward legislative amendments to the workchoices act to remove and or vary the bits he doesn't agree with or whether he introduces a whole new act to completely replace it.
Since Parliament apparently won't be recalled until Februrary, they can't even introduce legislation until then.
Oh, and David, whats the nature of your employment and how do you know you're going to be dismissed?
If you're employed as a casual then it would have made no difference.
Edit, just reading how the senate voting is going. Gonna be very interesting. My understanding is you need a simple majority vote in the senateto get legislation through. ie, 39 out of 76.
At this stage, they're predicting the coalition to hold onto 37, greens 5, family first 1 nick Xeno-anti-pokies 1 and Labor 32.
So Labor will need to court not only the greens but the other 2 as well to get legislation passed. If they lose even 1 of those, it's a 38 all vote. Gonna be some serious lobbying and horsetrading going on.
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| Where to from now for the Liberal Party? Move further to the right? Move back to the left. They are set to be in the wilderness for a while. |
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stui magpie
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As usual, I think Andrew Bolt sums it up pretty well.
| Quote: | SATURDAY'S catastrophic loss threatens to wipe out the Liberals for a generation. Probably longer.
The Liberals' problems are simple but deadly: at every level they lack talent, ideas, power, money and idealism.
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22820141-25717,00.html
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| stui magpie wrote: | As usual, I think Andrew Bolt sums it up pretty well.
| Quote: | SATURDAY'S catastrophic loss threatens to wipe out the Liberals for a generation. Probably longer.
The Liberals' problems are simple but deadly: at every level they lack talent, ideas, power, money and idealism.
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22820141-25717,00.html |
The South African is as much out of touch as the Liberal Party. |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| nomadjack wrote: |
Don't kid yourself NP. 3% is bloody hard to peg back against a first term government. Whitlam is the only government since ww2 to get just one term and you could never accuse Rudd of being Whitlamesque. The average is closer to four terms at the federal level, so buckle up and enjoy the ride!
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Whitlam got 2 terms
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: |
Don't kid yourself NP. 3% is bloody hard to peg back against a first term government. Whitlam is the only government since ww2 to get just one term and you could never accuse Rudd of being Whitlamesque. The average is closer to four terms at the federal level, so buckle up and enjoy the ride!
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Whitlam got 2 terms |
Sorry Frank, you're right. I should have said Whitlam got the equivalent of one term. Even in that short time he did more for this country than Howard has done in 11 years. |
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