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The Prototype 
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Well you'd have more interest in this political stuff then I would, sherrife, I don't like any of them and if I am going to vote then I am not going to just go there and get my name taken off because I'm not going to waste the trip down to the polling booth not to vote.
And it seems a bit sad that the only candidate here in the seat of Franklin that I know of is the Labor candidate (Her name is Allison, cannot remember the last name...used to be Lara Gidding.) the others I've never seen or heard of and the old candidate Lara Gidding used to come around door knocking and explaining herself, the others never.
Which really explains why Labor keeps winning this seat, the Libs leader here Will Hodgman would have a lot of people not liking him due to the incompetence he showed when running the STFL a few years back the guy almost ran it into the ground like his father did to the TFL when he was in charge.
But both leaders of Labor and Libs don't seem to be that liked it would appear.
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sherrife 
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| The Prototype wrote: | | Well you'd have more interest in this political stuff then I would, sherrife, I don't like any of them and if I am going to vote then I am not going to just go there and get my name taken off because I'm not going to waste the trip down to the polling booth not to vote. |
I actually see the act of not voting as a protest against the entire system. It is a vote for fundamental social change. It is a vote that says "i refuse to recognize the legitimacy of this system, and the institutions that run our state".
It is not a 'waste' that i will not vote because I refuse to negotiate away my fundamental beliefs and principles.
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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Omar I'm not all that up on how it works, but is it genuinely impossible that you could achieve change through the political system?
Surely if there was enough support for the values you support (and perhaps you could use rallies to increase awareness about this kind of thing and build support etc), you could help found a political party that more represented your ideals? Or perhaps get involved with a slightly more moderate party (eg Greens) and achieve a voice that way?
I'm not going to get all teary-eyed about democracy (cue 'Star Spangled Banner'), but, while it may not be a perfect system, I believe it is a very good system that allows the people's voices to be heard.
The trouble with not voting is that it is a negative decision as opposed to a positive one, and it doesn't really achieve anything. While you might seek to achieve your goals through other avenues regardless, I find it hard to believe that you can achieve political goals outside the political establishment.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl 
The Russell Street Pole Dancing Bogan
Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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News.com.au brainwashing people to vote for certain parties. Long gone are the days when people actually used their brains.
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Syd_Magpies_Girl wrote: | | News.com.au brainwashing people to vote for certain parties. Long gone are the days when people actually used their brains. |
not sure if it brainwashing but the options given for answers are not overly friendly. and besides, you always have a feeling the result is not as pure as you would like it to be.
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl
The Russell Street Pole Dancing Bogan
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I'm doing the democratic thing this year. Stuff it. Rudd is starting to become transparent.
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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when was the last time anyone heard or said that they were happy with the government. it's like the perceived god given right to bag our players and anything else we are not happy with.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| sherrife wrote: | | The Prototype wrote: | | Well you'd have more interest in this political stuff then I would, sherrife, I don't like any of them and if I am going to vote then I am not going to just go there and get my name taken off because I'm not going to waste the trip down to the polling booth not to vote. |
I actually see the act of not voting as a protest against the entire system. It is a vote for fundamental social change. It is a vote that says "i refuse to recognize the legitimacy of this system, and the institutions that run our state".
It is not a 'waste' that i will not vote because I refuse to negotiate away my fundamental beliefs and principles. |
Whichever way you chose to go about it, you've set yourself a formidable task.
Unless you're contemplating armed revolution, the kind of fundamental change (I think) you're envisaging will need massive popular support to have a remote chance of success.
In any "change" theory, the most important initial steps are around selling the reason for change. You need to have a clear vision and strategy, a sense of urgency (even if artificially generated), a credible group of change leaders and an effective comms strategy. That's the minimum to actually get the ball rolling and generate momentum for change.
Good luck. 
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| stui magpie wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | | The Prototype wrote: | | Well you'd have more interest in this political stuff then I would, sherrife, I don't like any of them and if I am going to vote then I am not going to just go there and get my name taken off because I'm not going to waste the trip down to the polling booth not to vote. |
I actually see the act of not voting as a protest against the entire system. It is a vote for fundamental social change. It is a vote that says "i refuse to recognize the legitimacy of this system, and the institutions that run our state".
It is not a 'waste' that i will not vote because I refuse to negotiate away my fundamental beliefs and principles. |
Whichever way you chose to go about it, you've set yourself a formidable task.
Unless you're contemplating armed revolution, the kind of fundamental change (I think) you're envisaging will need massive popular support to have a remote chance of success.
In any "change" theory, the most important initial steps are around selling the reason for change. You need to have a clear vision and strategy, a sense of urgency (even if artificially generated), a credible group of change leaders and an effective comms strategy. That's the minimum to actually get the ball rolling and generate momentum for change.
Good luck. |
lol a leaders guide to change. pity some of the so called managers i worked with didn't understand that.
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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^ yes, because people don't (or even really want to) understand what the issues mean they will take the easy option. for a vast majority i wouldn't think it really matters who is in government because it would be a tertiary priority in their life at best even though the government of the day will have an influence on their top two priorities that they may not recognise.
these tax cuts are a joke but as said before targeted at the people that will be most reliant on them.
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member34258
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And to be honest member123934 I don't really see what brought that response on. But whatever  |
It's called "having a laugh".
I hope you still have a sense of humour deep down somewhere sherrife. |
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Magpie Jack
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Location: Bribie Island, on the Collingwood Coast
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I think for this election there is a bigger difference between Liberal and Labour policy than normal.
IR.....The Libs have gone way too far and some basic rights have to be restored.
Nuclear Power....This one really scares me. The Libs have openly said they want it.
I'll be voting Labour this time because of these two issues but I hope the Democrats and Greens can get some power back in the senate. That would make Labour reign in their Uranium policy as well as keeping the bastards honest.
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