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~Madness~ 
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| Jock McPie wrote: |
they're no good if you are management. |
Correct
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stui magpie 
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| Jock McPie wrote: | | ~Madness~ wrote: | | Im a labour girl, but the unions really really really shyte me to tears. They are good for somethings, but in my industry they are good for wanting to get paid but not work... great job if you can get it... |
they're no good if you are management. they just become an obstacle to transformation and necessary change. oh and with the partnership approach you can't go to the toilet without consulting them.
they're great if you are a comrade. |
I had to work thru the partnership approach in the 90's.  Talk about a system designed to ensure that nothing happened except for union officials dining out at businesses expense.
I'm guessing the NZ public serice with helen clarke in charge would be a shocker.
Never mind Jock, you'll be back in Aus soon and once Johnny puts kevvie back in his box and the coalition retains government you'll have at least 4 years of prosperity. Plus there'll be the free fireworks when a few posters heads explode. 
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Dale61
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Hang on Stui, LJ (Little Johnny) has already stated that if he retains power, he'll stand down within two years and hand over to Bud Costello.
Then what?
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stui magpie
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Abbot becomes deputy PM? 
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Dale61
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Imagine that!
'Who runs Australia now?'
'Oh, Abbott and Costello!'
Who's on first then?
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stui magpie
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What?
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bucksisgod 
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| Northern Pie wrote: | | As you may have noticed I hate them all, I think they are all corrupt but OMG I just watched Rudd Tank in his very first press conference since the calling of the election, he was shocking and told Australians nothing. |
Agree. Going by that conference and this thread, Howard is comprehensively more impressive than Rudd orally.
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John Wren 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | ~Madness~ wrote: | | Im a labour girl, but the unions really really really shyte me to tears. They are good for somethings, but in my industry they are good for wanting to get paid but not work... great job if you can get it... |
they're no good if you are management. they just become an obstacle to transformation and necessary change. oh and with the partnership approach you can't go to the toilet without consulting them.
they're great if you are a comrade. |
I had to work thru the partnership approach in the 90's. Talk about a system designed to ensure that nothing happened except for union officials dining out at businesses expense.
I'm guessing the NZ public serice with helen clarke in charge would be a shocker.
Never mind Jock, you'll be back in Aus soon and once Johnny puts kevvie back in his box and the coalition retains government you'll have at least 4 years of prosperity. Plus there'll be the free fireworks when a few posters heads explode. |
unions here were bundled out a few years ago and only starting to claw their way back and are getting a little more influential as the clarke years roll on. the psa (public service union) is by far the strongest but still pretty tame compared to what australia is used to. the unions roll over here fairly easily cos they know the hand that's feeding them.
always interesting at election time here that psa advocates political neutrality but always hands out fridge magnets supporting labour.
every year we get shafted and get some token yearly increase that is way less than the annual cpi rises but most of the muppet members only see the dollar signs knowing they won;t get performance based increases and accept it.
every new collective bargaining contract gets you a few hundred $$ windfall for signing up to it but all that does is cover the fortnightly subs and see a whole lot of benefits eroded but sold to the muppet members as gains in other areas. 
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HAL
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| Thanks for your support. I've heard that about labor before. |
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Dale61
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| bucksisgod wrote: |
Agree. Going by that conference and this thread, Howard is comprehensively more impressive than Rudd orally. |
Going by the image I posted, Costello certainly seems to think so!
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stui magpie
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| bucksisgod wrote: | | Northern Pie wrote: | | As you may have noticed I hate them all, I think they are all corrupt but OMG I just watched Rudd Tank in his very first press conference since the calling of the election, he was shocking and told Australians nothing. |
Agree. Going by that conference and this thread, Howard is comprehensively more impressive than Rudd orally. |
The next few weeks will be interesting to see whether Rudd can actually stand up and stand for something and answer questions without having pre scripted answers provide by advisors. They're already jokes about how he has a tendancy to take over interviews and ask himself the questions he wants to answer and ignore or waffle to those he doesn't.
Personally I think he defines Muppet.
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stui magpie
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| Jock McPie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | ~Madness~ wrote: | | Im a labour girl, but the unions really really really shyte me to tears. They are good for somethings, but in my industry they are good for wanting to get paid but not work... great job if you can get it... |
they're no good if you are management. they just become an obstacle to transformation and necessary change. oh and with the partnership approach you can't go to the toilet without consulting them.
they're great if you are a comrade. |
I had to work thru the partnership approach in the 90's. Talk about a system designed to ensure that nothing happened except for union officials dining out at businesses expense.
I'm guessing the NZ public serice with helen clarke in charge would be a shocker.
Never mind Jock, you'll be back in Aus soon and once Johnny puts kevvie back in his box and the coalition retains government you'll have at least 4 years of prosperity. Plus there'll be the free fireworks when a few posters heads explode. |
unions here were bundled out a few years ago and only starting to claw their way back and are getting a little more influential as the clarke years roll on. the psa (public service union) is by far the strongest but still pretty tame compared to what australia is used to. the unions roll over here fairly easily cos they know the hand that's feeding them.
always interesting at election time here that psa advocates political neutrality but always hands out fridge magnets supporting labour.
every year we get shafted and get some token yearly increase that is way less than the annual cpi rises but most of the muppet members only see the dollar signs knowing they won;t get performance based increases and accept it.
every new collective bargaining contract gets you a few hundred $$ windfall for signing up to it but all that does is cover the fortnightly subs and see a whole lot of benefits eroded but sold to the muppet members as gains in other areas. |
Unfortunatley, from memory, the legislation Labour bought in over there when they got back in, dealt the unions a seat at the table whether workers wanted it or not. When I was over there in 2000, all of the workers I spoke to were disparaging of the unions and thought Australians were wimps for the way they let the unions run things instead of standing up for themselves. Not a good way to engender support when people are effectivley forced to use them for negotiations.
Also, since NZ has no senate, legislation tends to swing far more dramatically IMO than in australia, so I'm guessing the unions over there are trying to make themselves relevant without being radical or biting the hand that feeds them because they're only one election away from being bascially outlawed if they rock the boat too much.
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HAL
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| Thanks for your support. I've heard that about labor before. |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| stui magpie wrote: | | bucksisgod wrote: | | Northern Pie wrote: | | As you may have noticed I hate them all, I think they are all corrupt but OMG I just watched Rudd Tank in his very first press conference since the calling of the election, he was shocking and told Australians nothing. |
Agree. Going by that conference and this thread, Howard is comprehensively more impressive than Rudd orally. |
The next few weeks will be interesting to see whether Rudd can actually stand up and stand for something and answer questions without having pre scripted answers provide by advisors. They're already jokes about how he has a tendancy to take over interviews and ask himself the questions he wants to answer and ignore or waffle to those he doesn't.
Personally I think he defines Muppet. |
He doesn't have to do or say anything, as someone else said a few years ago "a drovers dog could win this election"
The libs will be reduced to a rump and one of the reason will be the Unions IR campaign, how ironic is that?
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John Wren
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Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | ~Madness~ wrote: | | Im a labour girl, but the unions really really really shyte me to tears. They are good for somethings, but in my industry they are good for wanting to get paid but not work... great job if you can get it... |
they're no good if you are management. they just become an obstacle to transformation and necessary change. oh and with the partnership approach you can't go to the toilet without consulting them.
they're great if you are a comrade. |
I had to work thru the partnership approach in the 90's. Talk about a system designed to ensure that nothing happened except for union officials dining out at businesses expense.
I'm guessing the NZ public serice with helen clarke in charge would be a shocker.
Never mind Jock, you'll be back in Aus soon and once Johnny puts kevvie back in his box and the coalition retains government you'll have at least 4 years of prosperity. Plus there'll be the free fireworks when a few posters heads explode. |
unions here were bundled out a few years ago and only starting to claw their way back and are getting a little more influential as the clarke years roll on. the psa (public service union) is by far the strongest but still pretty tame compared to what australia is used to. the unions roll over here fairly easily cos they know the hand that's feeding them.
always interesting at election time here that psa advocates political neutrality but always hands out fridge magnets supporting labour.
every year we get shafted and get some token yearly increase that is way less than the annual cpi rises but most of the muppet members only see the dollar signs knowing they won;t get performance based increases and accept it.
every new collective bargaining contract gets you a few hundred $$ windfall for signing up to it but all that does is cover the fortnightly subs and see a whole lot of benefits eroded but sold to the muppet members as gains in other areas. |
Unfortunatley, from memory, the legislation Labour bought in over there when they got back in, dealt the unions a seat at the table whether workers wanted it or not. When I was over there in 2000, all of the workers I spoke to were disparaging of the unions and thought Australians were wimps for the way they let the unions run things instead of standing up for themselves. Not a good way to engender support when people are effectivley forced to use them for negotiations.
Also, since NZ has no senate, legislation tends to swing far more dramatically IMO than in australia, so I'm guessing the unions over there are trying to make themselves relevant without being radical or biting the hand that feeds them because they're only one election away from being bascially outlawed if they rock the boat too much. |
i joined a union here because a) that's all i knew in oz and b)lack of experience with nz employers. my experience with union delegates have shown them to be quite weak and not worth it.
interestingly enough, the bargained contract effectively becomes the contract offered to individuals who choose not to join a union, they just don't pay/receive the perceived perks.
mmp here is another topic altogether and we have a situation where the party who would have won on two party preferred is actually the opposition. some of these pissant minor and irrelevant parties, as you would expect, went with the incumbent to form government.
the nationals (liberal equivalent) will take over at the next election unless the govt really does choose to buy the votes. they are sitting on record surpluses and have not provided tax breaks for years.
what seems to happen is there is voice for change, the momentum builds but as soon as election time hits people get cold feet and go with the devil you know. sound familiar?
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