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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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Do you believe the hype about Howard possibly stepping down after APEC? Is it time the Liberal Party asked Howard to bring them his torch?
I'm not a Howard fan but do admire his stickability, endurance and ability to reinvent himself. he has been the one constant in politics during my lifetime, almost sheedyesque. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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I would say no, only because I don't believe public perception of Costello is that positive. He's perceived as arrogant.
However, there is an argument that the same was thought of Keating and he won one election after giving Hawke the boot. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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If he does they might as well give the election to labor because Costello is a C**t _________________ I am Da Man |
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Magpie Jack
Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Bribie Island, on the Collingwood Coast
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In years to come I reckon they look back at Howards years and say he didn't do a bad job.... but his "Clanger" was IR.
What was he thinking? _________________ Bob Rose....the measuring stick of humanity |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Just thank god you don't live in New Zealand.
They have no senate to moderate legislation so when the conservatives were in power, they had employee relations legislation in place that made workchoices look Union friendly. Then Labour gets in and swings the pendulum 180 degrees the opposite direction. You'd have to be schizophrenic to run a business over there. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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member34258
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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I favor a similar system to the US as far as our leader goes. No more than 8 years in the top job. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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I disagree. If the people still want some guy as the leader of their country after a couple of terms, why deny them the right to vote for him?
I'd be wary of any move towards the US presidential system. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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member34258
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You disagree? With me?
I'm shocked! |
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member34258
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And here's a good reason the Americans don't let any man go more than 8 years.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwrRixJ2YPqdY6kB2Ex290VMiWug
Quote: | Thank you for being such a fine host for the OPEC summit |
Quote: | Talking about Howard's visit to Iraq last year to thank his country's soldiers serving there, Bush called them "Austrian troops." |
And the poor buggers need to put up with him for another 12+ months. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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There is no way Bush would have won the next election if he had been up again. Democrats could win with John Kerry, that's how unpopular Bush is.
As an aside, Roosevelt would not have been president of the United States through WW2 if the current rules had existed back then.
Member, I wonder if you would have the same opinion if it had been a Labor leader in power for the past 11 years? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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MMP makes for interesting times. problem with this system is that parties you don't vote for or want end up having the balance of power. the current labor govt is a minority govt and being propped up by a couple of the really really small parties.
opinion polls at the moment suggest the national party [=liberal party] could govern in their own right. a seachange is imminent unless the current govt buys itself another election. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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member34258
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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David wrote: |
Member, I wonder if you would have the same opinion if it had been a Labor leader in power for the past 11 years? |
Yes I would.
Remember, at the moment we don't actually vote for our leader. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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member34258 wrote: | I favor a similar system to the US as far as our leader goes. No more than 8 years in the top job. |
Interesting proposition considering their voting system is quite different to ours. They vote for a leader or figure head, we vote for local members and the winning party chooses the leader.
In the American system, there's nothing preventing one party from winning power at 3 or more consecutive election, as long as no leader serves more than 2 terms.
Out of curiosity, using the current example of Liberal being in power for 10 years, how would you suggest your proposal would have been implemented? Howard would have been forced to retire as leader prior to the last election but would you have him able to remain as an MP, backbencher or even minister or would he have to have retired from Politics all together? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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member34258
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It needs 4 year terms stui. A mandatory start and finish time, not elections called on the whim of a leader who thinks he/she can win.
And of course the leader does not have an electorate as all Australia is hi/her electorate.
Yes, if you have gone for the top job then after your time is up you retire and therefore am not a hindrance to the new guy.
No problem with the party winning power continually. Thats what makes the American system better than ours. The opposing sides must make concessions to get anything done. Balance. |
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