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Dave The Man 
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member34258
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| Interesting that both Howard and Rudd reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage this week. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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David 
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| member34258 wrote: | | Interesting that both Howard and Rudd reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage this week. |
Which just goes to show why Rudd will make such a poor leader of this country.
Howard is clearly wrong on this issue, in my opinion, but at least in doing so he is representing the conservative citizens of Australia, who support him. Rudd, as the opposition leader, could at least provide an alternate policy, but unsurprisingly will follow Howard on most important issues.
I wonder what Labor voters' reaction will be when they realise their saviour is a conservative?
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Dave The Man
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| David wrote: | | member34258 wrote: | | Interesting that both Howard and Rudd reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage this week. |
Which just goes to show why Rudd will make such a poor leader of this country.
Howard is clearly wrong on this issue, in my opinion, but at least in doing so he is representing the conservative citizens of Australia, who support him. Rudd, as the opposition leader, could at least provide an alternate policy, but unsurprisingly will follow Howard on most important issues.
I wonder what Labor voters' reaction will be when they realise their saviour is a conservative? |
Rudd will be a Good Leader and Howard is just playijng the Aussise Citzens as Idiots
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stui magpie 
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Bananaby Joyce made the best comment of the week when he aid that if Rudd got any closer to Howard, he'd need to ask jeannete for permission.
On the transgender thing, I'll confess it does my head in a little bit. So this was a guy who felt strongly enough that he wanted to be a woman to have the surgery, hormones etc and then marries a woman using his male birth certificate. So he's basically a Lesbian. 
Just seems a little bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too but like I said, the whole issue does my head in a bit so I'm probably way out of line.
On the issue of a pre op transexual being sent to a male prison, I'd assume how difficult that would be may depend on their sexual preference but it wouldn't necesarily be a great time regardless.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Where did Bananaby Joyce made the best comment of the week when he aid that if Rudd get any to Howard he'd need to ask jeannete for permission? |
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member34258
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| David wrote: | | member34258 wrote: | | Interesting that both Howard and Rudd reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage this week. |
Which just goes to show why Rudd will make such a poor leader of this country.
Howard is clearly wrong on this issue, in my opinion, but at least in doing so he is representing the conservative citizens of Australia, who support him. Rudd, as the opposition leader, could at least provide an alternate policy, but unsurprisingly will follow Howard on most important issues.
I wonder what Labor voters' reaction will be when they realise their saviour is a conservative? |
Ah, so no matter the Howard policy the opposition is honor bound to take the opposite view?
Very simplistic view there David.
Showing your youth I'm afraid. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Tess wrote: | I know of a couple that are married, have been for years with children and the male is trans and having the surgery with his wife and childrens blessing. They plan on staying together.
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Part of me thinks that is very messed up, part of me thinks good on them all for working things out. Even if his wife can come to terms with it, it would have to mess with the kids heads.
As you said, transgender and sexual orientation aren't the same thing but I worked with a guy years ago who was married and had kids. He was retrenched from work when he was about 50 and came out of the closet big time. I'm not sure how or whether his wife ever came to terms with the fact that the bloke she'd been married to for 20 years was actually sexually attracted to blokes.
I suppose this woman at least has the assurance that her partner still loves her and it's his own gender that's his issue.
Oh, and Member, having a dig at David's age is a bit of a low blow there. Rudd is deliberately trying to minimise the differences between himself and Howard to a minority of popular issues where he thinks he can gain support. It's a very cynical approach designed purely to get into office. We have no real idea what he stands for and what he'd actually do if in power. I think Paul Keating was quoted recently as saying (something like) Rudd won't get out of bed in the morning without a focus group telling him which side to get our of and which foot to put down first.
Not displaying a hell of a lot of leadership.
A number of people disagree with Howards views and policies. That's cool, that's their right in a democracy. At least they know what Howards views and policies are.
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EBB
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| David wrote: | | member34258 wrote: | | Interesting that both Howard and Rudd reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage this week. |
Which just goes to show why Rudd will make such a poor leader of this country.
Howard is clearly wrong on this issue, in my opinion, but at least in doing so he is representing the conservative citizens of Australia, who support him. Rudd, as the opposition leader, could at least provide an alternate policy, but unsurprisingly will follow Howard on most important issues.
I wonder what Labor voters' reaction will be when they realise their saviour is a conservative? |
I can see where you have placed your wide opened mouth.
I'm convinced you've got a mental illness, nothing wrong with that ofcourse.
* If you don't understand, then re-read your post. Time and time again you do the old "back-flip" insult. No need to respond to my post, I hardly ignore anyone, if no-one.
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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Stui and Tess, I'm not sure about it myself. All I know is that sexuality, as well as gender identity, don't always correspond, and I guess there is no reason why a situation like the one above shouldn't be possible. but then again, what would I know?
| member34258 wrote: | Ah, so no matter the Howard policy the opposition is honor bound to take the opposite view?
Very simplistic view there David.
Showing your youth I'm afraid. |
Obviously not. I am suggesting that Rudd should be representing his 'half' of Australia better. You cannot say that the vast majority of Australians are opposed to same-sex marriage, so why then are both our major leaders opposed to it?
Clearly there will be times when the two parties agree, and I have never suggested that the opposition should oppose the government for the sake of it. I am simply claiming that Rudd is extremely hesitant to converge too strongly from Howard's position on important issues, for fear of being seen as too 'radical' by the conservative vote he's trying to pull.
| EBB wrote: | I can see where you have placed your wide opened mouth.
I'm convinced you've got a mental illness, nothing wrong with that ofcourse.
* If you don't understand, then re-read your post. Time and time again you do the old "back-flip" insult. No need to respond to my post, I hardly ignore anyone, if no-one. |
I don't see what the point is to respond to your post anyhow.
Maybe I am a bit slow, because frankly I don't even know what the hell you are talking about.
I would understand a lot better if you actually responded to the post in some manner rather than giving your professional opinion on my mental health.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Cheap shot EBB.
Would you care to elaborate for us intellectually challenged exactly WTF you're talking about?
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EBB
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| stui magpie wrote: | Cheap shot EBB.
Would you care to elaborate for us intellectually challenged exactly WTF you're talking about? |
I'm aware of your "longing to be father figure to David" but are you really that friggin stupid? Don't tempt me....I don't play well with others,Stu. (..and I thought you were an intellect)
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stui magpie
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EBB, mate, I have no desire to be a father figure to anyone ATM. been there, done that.
As far as being that friggin stupid, maybe I am cos I don't get where your going.
And I only play well with others when I choose to.
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HAL
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