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David
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K wrote: | David wrote: | ... (when, as I said, the vast majority of white Australian men have willingly engaged with it – surely you don't need me to provide data on that, K!!) ... |
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1191597
The abstract claims 84% of men ever, and 76% of men in the past year (but does not break it down into white/non-white).
The use of "computer-assisted telephone interviews" would also appear to bias it in favor of those with internet access and familiarity, as would the age interval 16-69. (Do 90-year-olds know what the internet is?) |
I rest my case! _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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K
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David wrote: | ...
I rest my case! |
What?! I should have asked you to define numerically your terms "nearly every", "many most", and "vast majority" before the revelation! |
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David
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Well, 84% surely counts as a vast majority in anyone’s books – even presuming that none of the remaining 16% aren’t lying out of embarrassment – and “many most” was just a botched editing attempt on my part (you can safely pick either word ... this is what happens when I try to be more cautious in my phrasing! ) We can quibble over semantics, but the point stands, surely: voluntary pornography access is already widespread in our society, and that needs to be taken into account when we assess its social impact.
(Oh, and I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing that “computer-assisted phone interviews” just refers to automated calls.) _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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David wrote: | Fair enough – thanks for the clarification. I haven't looked at that report in depth, but I have to say I was puzzled by the NT intervention's focus on pornography. It's one of those things, like violent video games, that are confidently linked to social ills by certain sections of society despite the fact that studies on the topic have been at best indecisive. I was wondering if that had happened here, and while the explanation you've excerpted from the report goes some of the way towards explaining why this was the case, it still strikes me as something of a knee-jerk reaction; surely the issue here is more child neglect and inadequate living conditions than the fact that adult DVDs were lying around (surely, in any case, a phenomenon that the internet has by now rendered thoroughly obsolete, for better or for worse).
I'm no libertarian, but seeing pictures of signs in Aboriginal areas proscribing pornography possession (when, as I said, the vast majority of white Australian men have willingly engaged with it – surely you don't need me to provide data on that, K!!) does strike one as a racist double standard in practice, even if the intent was not so. It's not hard to call to mind similar policies from the first half of the 20th century banning Aboriginal people from possessing alcohol, which, among other things, caused the celebrated painter Albert Namatjira to receive a jail sentence towards the end of his life (among the many other injustices and indignities visited upon Indigenous people in these times).
Of course, I acknowledge that the severe deprivation in Aboriginal communities sometimes does require responses that might seem drastic to those of us who are geographically and culturally distant from them. But even a well-meaning policy may (rightly or wrongly) end up disenfranchising its supposed beneficiaries – much as the NT intervention quite evidently has done (arguably setting back the reconciliation process by decades). This is why policy in this area is so damn hard! But the least that governments can do is work closely with the communities themselves, so at least their members can feel some ownership of the policies that affect their lives. |
I cannot claim to know for certain that pornography plays a causal role, or how much of a causal role. I just think it stands to reason that exposure to extreme and largely unreal representations of sexuality carries exceptional risks in a community that has a high level of dysfunction, and statistically high levels of child sexual abuse. Once the report found as it did, based on the testimony of aboriginal communities themselves, it was reasonable to try and interdict its availability.
My views on the harder edges of pornography (ie much of what is on the Internet) have been expressed on here before, of course. I’d happily ban it in general if it were technically possible, which I understand it is not. It’s a case study of how sensible liberal reform accepting ordinary human desires can so easily be extrapolated into an assault on human dignity, reciprocity and restraint, with vile consequences for those who are too weak to defend themselves. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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K
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Mugwump wrote: | ...
I’d happily ban it in general if it were technically possible, which I understand it is not. ... |
Well, public computers tend to be able to block whatever sites they don't like (Nicks?). Come to think of it, China blocks just about everything. I therefore don't think the problem is technological. (Sure, you can try to get around it, but how many of David's loyal 76% could be bothered even trying?) |
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K
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David wrote: | ...
(Oh, and I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing that “computer-assisted phone interviews” just refers to automated calls.) |
Yes, that sounds plausible. I'm confident the unsolicited men in their 70s, 80s, and 90s might help bring the percentage down, though. |
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think positive
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stui magpie
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Saw that on the news last night, They said he'd hand raised the lion from a cub and went in there all the time with no problems. Something wen't wrong that day.
He was apparently shattered that the lion had been killed, they shot at it while it was mauling him. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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think positive
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Yeah something about a weird smell upsetting the lions. Shitty outcome _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Dave The Man
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Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there _________________ I am Da Man |
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stui magpie
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Those pubes were attached to the curtain you came through when you came into the world. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Dave The Man
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stui magpie wrote: | Those pubes were attached to the curtain you came through when you came into the world. |
I know but that was 32 years ago and not when I was having a Shower _________________ I am Da Man |
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stui magpie
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LOL fair point. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Dave The Man wrote: | Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there |
So get your own place _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Dave The Man
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think positive wrote: | Dave The Man wrote: | Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there |
So get your own place |
_________________ I am Da Man |
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