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David Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:49 pm
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K wrote:
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... (when, as I said, the vast majority of white Australian men have willingly engaged with it – surely you don't need me to provide data on that, K!!) ...


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1191597 Wink

The abstract claims 84% of men ever, and 76% of men in the past year (but does not break it down into white/non-white).
The use of "computer-assisted telephone interviews" would also appear to bias it in favor of those with internet access and familiarity, as would the age interval 16-69. (Do 90-year-olds know what the internet is?) Wink


I rest my case!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:17 am
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I rest my case!

What?! I should have asked you to define numerically your terms "nearly every", "many most", and "vast majority" before the revelation!
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:27 am
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Well, 84% surely counts as a vast majority in anyone’s books – even presuming that none of the remaining 16% aren’t lying out of embarrassment – and “many most” was just a botched editing attempt on my part (you can safely pick either word ... this is what happens when I try to be more cautious in my phrasing! Wink) We can quibble over semantics, but the point stands, surely: voluntary pornography access is already widespread in our society, and that needs to be taken into account when we assess its social impact.

(Oh, and I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing that “computer-assisted phone interviews” just refers to automated calls.)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:39 am
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Fair enough – thanks for the clarification. I haven't looked at that report in depth, but I have to say I was puzzled by the NT intervention's focus on pornography. It's one of those things, like violent video games, that are confidently linked to social ills by certain sections of society despite the fact that studies on the topic have been at best indecisive. I was wondering if that had happened here, and while the explanation you've excerpted from the report goes some of the way towards explaining why this was the case, it still strikes me as something of a knee-jerk reaction; surely the issue here is more child neglect and inadequate living conditions than the fact that adult DVDs were lying around (surely, in any case, a phenomenon that the internet has by now rendered thoroughly obsolete, for better or for worse).

I'm no libertarian, but seeing pictures of signs in Aboriginal areas proscribing pornography possession (when, as I said, the vast majority of white Australian men have willingly engaged with it – surely you don't need me to provide data on that, K!!) does strike one as a racist double standard in practice, even if the intent was not so. It's not hard to call to mind similar policies from the first half of the 20th century banning Aboriginal people from possessing alcohol, which, among other things, caused the celebrated painter Albert Namatjira to receive a jail sentence towards the end of his life (among the many other injustices and indignities visited upon Indigenous people in these times).

Of course, I acknowledge that the severe deprivation in Aboriginal communities sometimes does require responses that might seem drastic to those of us who are geographically and culturally distant from them. But even a well-meaning policy may (rightly or wrongly) end up disenfranchising its supposed beneficiaries – much as the NT intervention quite evidently has done (arguably setting back the reconciliation process by decades). This is why policy in this area is so damn hard! But the least that governments can do is work closely with the communities themselves, so at least their members can feel some ownership of the policies that affect their lives.


I cannot claim to know for certain that pornography plays a causal role, or how much of a causal role. I just think it stands to reason that exposure to extreme and largely unreal representations of sexuality carries exceptional risks in a community that has a high level of dysfunction, and statistically high levels of child sexual abuse. Once the report found as it did, based on the testimony of aboriginal communities themselves, it was reasonable to try and interdict its availability.

My views on the harder edges of pornography (ie much of what is on the Internet) have been expressed on here before, of course. I’d happily ban it in general if it were technically possible, which I understand it is not. It’s a case study of how sensible liberal reform accepting ordinary human desires can so easily be extrapolated into an assault on human dignity, reciprocity and restraint, with vile consequences for those who are too weak to defend themselves.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:55 pm
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I’d happily ban it in general if it were technically possible, which I understand it is not. ...

Well, public computers tend to be able to block whatever sites they don't like (Nicks?). Come to think of it, China blocks just about everything. I therefore don't think the problem is technological. (Sure, you can try to get around it, but how many of David's loyal 76% could be bothered even trying?)
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(Oh, and I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing that “computer-assisted phone interviews” just refers to automated calls.)

Yes, that sounds plausible. I'm confident the unsolicited men in their 70s, 80s, and 90s might help bring the percentage down, though.
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Gees youd think he had more sense, and now the lion is dead because he didnt, but man watch the way the lion drags this large adult male, like hes a bag of skittles (the man survived, and hes not an American, hes a pom) the power is just WOW

https://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/science/video-shows-mike-hodge-being-dragged-away-by-lion-at-the-makarele-predator-centre-in-thabazimbi-south-africa-ng-18eb6d2c846f23928ea244aa27736717

dont see why they felt the need to kill the lion for doing what comes naturally.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:11 pm
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^

Saw that on the news last night, They said he'd hand raised the lion from a cub and went in there all the time with no problems. Something wen't wrong that day.

He was apparently shattered that the lion had been killed, they shot at it while it was mauling him.

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Yeah something about a weird smell upsetting the lions. Shitty outcome
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:14 pm
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Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:19 pm
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Those pubes were attached to the curtain you came through when you came into the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:08 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Those pubes were attached to the curtain you came through when you came into the world.


I know but that was 32 years ago and not when I was having a Shower

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:20 pm
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LOL fair point. Wink Laughing
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Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there


So get your own place

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Had Shower and I hate when I go after my Mum and bit of her Pubes are in there


So get your own place


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