What pisses you off?

[Bruce Gonsalves]

[stui magpie]

^

There's apparently some research supporting that, men over 50 shouldn't be climbing ladders, let alone stumbling round on roofs.

1 more time for me, I've got 1 side of the shed to go (14m) and after that, I'll pay some one.

[think positive]

[stui magpie]

Looking to buy a ute, the good car is getting messed up so a ute would be perfect to head up bush and do the bunnings runs in. Found a beauty online for $3500. Organised to go round this morning and take it for a spin.

Bloke messaged me last night, he's changed his mind and not selling.

Bugger.

[K]

That's a shame, Stui, but I guess better than buying it and later finding out from police it's stolen with fake papers.

[stui magpie]

I'd already run a check on the rego and Vin, registered, not stolen, not on finance and not written off.

[watt price tully]

[think positive]

Good on him, the exercise not the fall, I hope I keep that up, makes such a difference to quality of life

[Wokko]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/08/16/10/13/akon-guode-mum-who-killed-children-has-prison-sentenced-slashed-eight-years?ocid=social-9newsM

This is $�$%^%%$ disgusting.

[Mugwump]

^ interesting - I presume Lasry (the original judge whose 20 year minimum sentence has been overturned on appeal) is the same Judge who gave Robert Farquarson a minimum term of 33 years.

The courts,I suppose, have to embrace a psychiatric consensus which holds that people who are perfectly morally conscious can be only partly responsible for their actions. This was most grotesquely shown in the Anu Singh case (searingly documented by Helen Garner in Her book, �Joe Cinque�s Consolation�), but it seems to be at work here as well. Judges are not trained psychiatrists. And trained psychiatrists are not very far above medieval plague doctors. So now, 14 years will serve to express how we value the lives of three little children, deliberately and agonisingly drowned.

If her story is true, then she has suffered much in life : more than most of us will ever understand. And it is hard to feel that any mother would do what she has done without some deep fracture in her poor soul. But I cannot see how we can allow that to be an excuse, as it seems to be here. It�s one of those moments where one wishes there was a God, who might know what justice looks like, in such a case.

[think positive]

14 years won�t pay for the lives of three children, but neither would 22, however, is jail where she should be? I can�t possibly ever understand how a mother kills one of her children, let alone three, attempting four, and I thank God for that. No winners here, none at all.

[David]

I think there's a real problem with the way the justice system responds to defendants' personal histories. This may surprise some given my views on sentencing (i.e. I would like to see us work towards abolishing custodial sentencing altogether), but I generally don't believe that judges should reduce sentences out of sympathy for people with troubled backgrounds, and think the idea of some people 'deserving' lesser sentences because of what they've had to go through in life really problematic. All that should be taken into account is how those factors affect the degree of culpability and the prospects of rehabilitation. So I think the judge's comments in this case are unfortunate.

Otherwise, this is a tricky one because, one presumes, she ��like these fathers who kill their children � will likely already be suffering in a way that no prison sentence could ever cause. I think it's fair to presume that she will not commit such a crime ever again. Beyond that, the difference between 18 vs 26 years seems kind of abstract;�she will still spend a considerable proportion of the rest of her life behind bars. Isn't that a sufficient punishment? I'm not sure there's much to be outraged by here.

[Skids]

[David]

What do you mean "what do you mean"? I would have thought my point was fairly straightforward, and I don't see anything in your post that contradicts it.

This data suggests that slightly more fathers than mothers kill their children, but that both groups are common perpetrators:

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi255
https://www.couriermail.com.au/rendezview/170-reasons-to-stand-up-to-violence-in-2018/news-story/08c130fef99c662d77b8be2b4af5d8e3

Either way, it's irrelevant to what I was saying.

[Skids]

I don't understand why you had to include... like fathers.

What has that got to do with this womans sentence being reduced?