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member34258
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relieve..
Just doing something about the boredom. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Neil Appleby 
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I just think it's outrageous that an Australian citizen can be extradited to another country to face charges committed in Australia.
Just another example of the complete moral bankruptcy of Ruddock and Howard.
So long as China and Thailand have billion dollar economies dependent on piracy of all types, then it will continue to thrive.
I watch with interest the buying habits of Western tourists in Bangkok computer malls and Chinese markets.
Not only are they racing to buy Prada, Gucci and LV fake bags, but also every imaginable CD/VCD/DVD.
I guess these people think they have been ripped off by record companies for years so it's not stealing. The record companies and movie companies are on a hiding to nothing and deservedly so.
Whilst I'm at it, ditto the computer software companies.
When a software package can cost many hundreds of dollars it's little wonder people favour the $5 version.
If companies are greedy they will be targetted by pirates and so say all of us (I think).
The AFL is a case in point here. If it provided a good service for it's supporters they wouldn't be forced into criminal behaviour.
I paid my overseas fees for two years and Telstra could not deliver even a third rate service. I don't buy a membership any more. Big Pond doesn't provide any Mac support either....another reason people go elsewhere and are forced to cheat.
Instead of threatening legal action, Mr Demetriou and co should be asking why people are doing it. Ah, but no; that would involve a little navel gazing and perhaps recognition of mistakes. The AFL doesn't make mistakes, got it?
Show me piracy and 80% of the time it's because controlling companies try to rip people off or sell an inferior product.
Internet piracy? Long may it thrive. |
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sherrife
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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Misguided.
Using cracked versions of mainstream software doesnīt undermine their monopoly over market, it actually reinforces it. If all those people using cracked versions of MS office and Windows would use Linux equivalents, or OpenOffice, we would all be better off.
Having said that, Iīve only recently converted to this view, so when i get back to Oz iīll be needing help getting Kubuntu up and running 
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| Our culture demands us not to pay for anything. We are decendants of convicts in most cases. This is the main reason they took the Sydney guy to put on trial in the US. In our courts it would be deemed big buisness takes on the little guy. |
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sherrife
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
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Who cares about not paying?
If every poor person stole what they needed and as a result were not so reliant on working undervalued and/or crappy jobs, the world would be a better place.
In regards to computer software, i think the ideas behind free software are fantastic (ideas are owned by the entire community, cooperative development, profit is not desired/achieved), whereas just cracking the mainstream programs still means they have a monopoly.
On a bit of a tangent here, but the true vindication of cooperative action is Linux, a system that was developed cooperatively, by the community, and is univerally acknowledged to be far, far better than any other system.
Who says cooperation leads to less innovation, and mediocre results??
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Great Post Sherrife |
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| sherrife wrote: | | If every poor person stole what they needed and as a result were not so reliant on working undervalued and/or crappy jobs, the world would be a better place. |
But who wants to be stolen from? I know that the lines are a bit blurred when it comes to piracy, but just replying to that sentence, how would that work?
If someone who doesn't work can steal a TV and get away with it, where's the incentive for me to go to work to buy a TV?
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sherrife
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Then steal it, itīs fine by me. 
*EDIT* Oh, I think i get you. Steal from the corporations of course, not from other (working class) people.
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EBB
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| sherrife wrote: | Then steal it, itīs fine by me.
*EDIT* Oh, I think i get you. Steal from the corporations of course, not from other (working class) people. |
Oh I see the logic, if everyone stole from the corporations, then there would be nothing left to steal. So therefore, the corporations would stop making "stuff". (actually, that's not a bad idea)..
| David wrote: | | If someone who doesn't work can steal a TV and get away with it, where's the incentive for me to go to work to buy a TV? |
To be 'human' is to own a TV? All a poor person needs is clothing and food. Actually, those who don't have a TV are probably better off (mentally).
...hmmm, come to think of it. What is a poor person.
P.S Keep flipping those burgers David, soon you'll have a 38" B'n'W TV..
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David
I dare you to try
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Of course the irony is, how many Australians actually DON'T have TVs? I reckon many families who are officially in a state of relative poverty in our society have TV, car, internet etc.
btw EBB I have a very nice big colour screen TV on which to watch all my French DVDs 
But you see Omar if everyone steals TVs, why are the companies going to bother making them in the first place? It comes down to the whole problem with communism... just doesn't work.
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EBB
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But you see Omar if everyone steals TVs, why are the companies going to bother making them in the first place? It comes down to the whole problem with communism... just doesn't work. |
That's a no-brain'er, in a Capitalist society, ofcourse communision...just dosen't work... 
french dvd's eh? 
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David
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Well I was kinda thinking communism doesn't work in general, but anyhow... 
French movies are great. Well a lot of them, anyway... And getting back on topic kinda... I wonder where I can illegally download some international movies?
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sherrife
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| David wrote: |
But you see Omar if everyone steals TVs, why are the companies going to bother making them in the first place? It comes down to the whole problem with communism... just doesn't work. |
Well they might stop, because they wonīt be making a profit.
But so what?
I have no stake in this system, and neither do most of the people who are forced to work for pathetic wages for 20% of their lives. They may not be aware that there are better models out there, but a large proportion of people know that there is something fundamentally f#ked up with what we have today.
Now, if every corporation stops doing everything as a result of universal theft, we will have a massive systemic crisis.... Great!
I know what you are thinking, the classic arguments of neoliberals are sometimes convincing, companies = jobs, no companies = no jobs. But please, try reading 5 pages of Marx or any other critic of capitalism and see if you can maintain this view.
What it comes down to is that ordinary people have all the knowhow to do everything that we currently do for a company, and that knowledge does not simply disappear if we take away the company! The quality of the work we do would probably be far better in this post-corporation, post-capitalism world, because we have control over our own work.
For a fun example, imagine how much better our media could be without editorial directives coming straight from the mouths of Murdoch and Packer?
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Dave, one of the most subversive things capitalism has achieved has been to convince people that they need corporations and bosses to survive. This is very far from the reality. People have the knowledge, people do all the work, and in fact corporations are actually the ones who NEED people to work for them in order to make a profit.
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