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stui magpie 
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And outsourcing never happened before workchoices 
You can't be Dean Mighell, you're actually literate. Are you Greg Combet?? 
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Joel 
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| What does that have to do with Workchoices? |
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WhyPhilWhy?
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The WorkChoices legislation (even Johnny now hates the name) stripped out unfair dismissal requirements on small businesses, providing them with them confidence to pull this sort of sack and re-hire bullshit.
And before you get too clever, I'm a Director of a multi-national company employing over 50,000 people. |
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London Dave 
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Last time in Oz, I had a feed with a friend of who mine runs a smallish factory employing 20 odd people. One of his competitiors goes belly up, about 1.8 mill in debt. Starts anew the next day, same place making same stuff, rehiring labour at a significantly cheaper rate. He's trying to figure out how does he compete with that? A quite considerable percentage of his workforce have been with him over 15-20 years...does he have to shit in their faces to stay afloat?
Perhaps his most pertinent comment was this...it was easy making mobey in the 80's, any idiot could do it. He is doing it real tough now. |
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nomadjack
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Interesting article on the share of the national economy going to company profits versus wages. This is where the impact of coalition policy can be seen quite clearly. The famous trickle down effect in action. Sorry, if I don't sound gracious, but I'm not satisfied with a relatively smaller piece of a bigger pie. And I'm not happy with a stagnant disposable income. I am glad my super is increasing at double-digit rate per annum, but excuse me if I don't do too many cartwheels, because with housing affordability where it is, I'll need to use my super to pay my phucking rent if I ever get to retire. Great economic managers my arse. The hard work was done by Hawke and Keating not these jokers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21842847-20142,00.html
Interesting that wage costs fell by 1.6% in the last quarter despite near full employment. |
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Brewer's Droop 
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| London Dave wrote: | | it was easy making mobey in the 80's |
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sherrife 
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| nomadjack wrote: | Interesting article on the share of the national economy going to company profits versus wages. This is where the impact of coalition policy can be seen quite clearly. The famous trickle down effect in action. Sorry, if I don't sound gracious, but I'm not satisfied with a relatively smaller piece of a bigger pie. And I'm not happy with a stagnant disposable income. I am glad my super is increasing at double-digit rate per annum, but excuse me if I don't do too many cartwheels, because with housing affordability where it is, I'll need to use my super to pay my phucking rent if I ever get to retire. Great economic managers my arse. The hard work was done by Hawke and Keating not these jokers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21842847-20142,00.html
Interesting that wage costs fell by 1.6% in the last quarter despite near full employment. |
What a disgusting article. Why the hell is it gloating that workers wages (ie. the conditions of the absolute majority of people) are not going up when everything else is? Answer: Pure business interests.
Just think, the 'not going up' bit INCLUDES multimillion dollar payrises to execs. Imagine if there was some way to differentiate wage earners at different levels
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stui magpie
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| WhyPhilWhy? wrote: | The WorkChoices legislation (even Johnny now hates the name) stripped out unfair dismissal requirements on small businesses, providing them with them confidence to pull this sort of sack and re-hire bullshit.
And before you get too clever, I'm a Director of a multi-national company employing over 50,000 people. |
I suggest you spend some more time with your HR manager then.
The unfair dismissal change was for companies with less than 100 employees. In this case, the contractor outsourced the trolley collection service, not sack the employees then try to re hire them on different conditions. Being used to the spin, I doubt they were "sacked" unless they were casual employees. If they were permanent they would have been retrenched as their jobs had been outsourced. If they were casuals, then they had no tenure.
The fact that they weren't rehired, means it wasn't some "sack and rehire bullshit", but an outsourcing of the roles to a dfferent company.
Whether it was good or bad business or morally right or wrong is a value judgement. Was it the fault of Workchoices, I doubt it.
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Joel
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| WhyPhilWhy? wrote: | The WorkChoices legislation (even Johnny now hates the name) stripped out unfair dismissal requirements on small businesses, providing them with them confidence to pull this sort of sack and re-hire bullshit.
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Steve (not necessarily to do with this article), ever ran a small business where you are afraid to sack some prick that does shit all, turns up late etc, then turns around and pulls unfair dismissal on you? Small business can't afford people like that.
Small business can be held for ransom. |
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nomadjack
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| Under the old legislation there were clearly laid out processes to follow if a business wanted to legitimately sack a worker for poor behaviour, such as regularly turning up late. Is it so bloody hard or unfair for a small business owner to actually have to provide evidence of misconduct and three written warnings? If you want to talk about being held to ransom try looking at the way casual workers are abused and mistreated in many service industries through misuse of rostering powers. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Sure, being held to ransom try looking at the way casual workers are abused and mistreated in many service industries misuse of rostering powers sounds like a good topic. |
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WhyPhilWhy?
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Joel - ever run a large business where you have to sack some knob that does shit all, turns up late etc, then turns around and pulls unfair dismissal on you?
I have and its no fun at all - no business can afford people like that.
And I've worked in small business - there are just as many knob bosses as there are knob workers and its generally the boss that holds the power. There are many ways for small (and large) businesses to be held to ransom - this is merely one, and I would suggest a relatively rare one.
Stui - no matter how you want to dress it up, people lost their jobs to other people who do the same work. Do you reckon they got more money? "Outsourcing" is just a pretty word it. |
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member34258
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Proud Pies
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| WhyPhilWhy? wrote: | The WorkChoices legislation (even Johnny now hates the name) stripped out unfair dismissal requirements on small businesses, providing them with them confidence to pull this sort of sack and re-hire bullshit.
And before you get too clever, I'm a Director of a multi-national company employing over 50,000 people. |
Well, it's your bloody shout for lunch next time then!
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