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stui magpie
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Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Quote: | The terrified screams of a traumatised sex-trafficked teenager, witnessed by an Australian billionaire, have led to a history-making alliance between three of the world's major religions to end slavery.
At the Vatican on Monday, West Australian iron-ore magnate Andrew Forrest launched the Global Freedom Network – an organisation led by the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Grand Imam of al-Azhar in Egypt.
The network aims to free the world's estimated 30 million slaves, and has set itself specific, ambitious targets to achieve this.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/billionaire-andrew-twiggy-forrest-fights-to-end-global-slavery-20140317-34y6d.html#ixzz2wIavKwJu |
I read this article this morning. Kudos to him and seriously good work in getting a senior muslim cleric and the head of the catholic church to sign a mutual agreement. That's some good negotiating skills there.
And before all the snipes about mining etc, have a look at the cause and what they're doing and tell me you don't support this. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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pietillidie
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Yes, good article. Just read his wikipedia page, and he seems to have a very strong social conscience, which is great to see.
Of course any sane person would support such an initiative. Good on him. He also seems to have been very supportive of indigenous initiatives, too. I see he and his wife have also pledged half of their wealth to charity while living, which I think is a major acknowledgement of the failure of markets, which shows strong insight into the world.
At the same time, any sane person with a conscience would oppose the cutting of 4.5B of foreign aid from the budget of one of the richest countries in human history, or worry sick about the overwhelming expert consensus on the risks of global warming, or be extremely concerned about the financial stress inflicted upon children by the decreasing share of productivity reflected in Australian real wages. So you just hope the full account of his moral ledger is as impressive as this excellent work he's doing. Perhaps it is, give or take.
Certainly I accept that people sometimes make well-intentioned trade-offs, such as saying nothing about certain issues they could speak on, and focusing on things they think they can get done. That's a fair trade-off, in my view. But one needs more information to judge rationally. And Forrest certainly isn't Rio, BHP and the shabby lot recently charged with corruption by ICAC in NSW, so if he is a blessing to society his halo only extends so far over what is a significantly filthy and destructive—albeit essential—industry.
Bill Gates always comes to mind in these situations. The bloke is doing great work now, but you do wonder just how many trillions of dollars his monopoly originally cost the global economy. But again, I'm happy to take the upside of people with open arms, no problem. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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stui magpie
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No one can fix everything. If individuals with the means focus on one target, that doesn't mean the others are less worthy.
Gates is focused on a narrow field with his foundation, doesn't mean the good he does is lessened. I get where you're coming from and no criticism of what you say.
IMO it's good to see some of the people who've made serious coin putting it back voluntarily to help with social issues. Doesn't mean they're all good, but does mean kudos to those who do. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Tannin
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Given his past record of nasty and dirty tricks, you have to be a bit cynical about this one. Maybe it's straight-up, but coming from this nasty bit of work, you have to wonder. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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Tannin
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pietillidie wrote: | Bill Gates always comes to mind in these situations. The bloke is doing great work now |
No he is not. He's spending millions of dollars to project his own narrow, blinkered American world view. Some of what he does is good, some of it is downright harmful. His PR team is pretty good though.
pietillidie wrote: | but you do wonder just how many trillions of dollars his monopoly originally cost the global economy. |
Uncountable trillions, not just (a) in unethical and very often downright illegal extortion, lowering living standards and increasing business expenses all over the world - not just my opinion that, he's been tried and found guilty many times over, even by tame courts in the US of A - but more importantly in the massive and sustained cost impost flowing as a direct result of the dead hand of monopoly. I'm not talking about the extortionate and anti-competitive pricing here, I'm talking about the uncountable trillions of wasted man-hours and frustrated intentions that have resulted and still result from the dramatic slowdown in the pace of software development and improvement after Gates killed the dynamic and inventive free market. Gates set back the development of software by a full decade, maybe more, and the cost of that inefficiency and lost productivity all over the world in simply incalculable. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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This would have a bit more currency if Forrest wasn't trying to get into the "slavery" areas for mineral exploitation where he would be flat out paying the locals 5 dollars a day. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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Tannin
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^ This _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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Tannin wrote: | Given his past record of nasty and dirty tricks, you have to be a bit cynical about this one. Maybe it's straight-up, but coming from this nasty bit of work, you have to wonder. | He is a master of deflection. |
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pietillidie
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Tannin, you surely have to allow for some complexity and ambiguity. Few people don't have a mixed ledger, even if the total numbers in both columns are inflated when it comes to gazillionaires, and even when one fundamentally disagrees with people having the power to command such resources to begin with.
That's not to encourage ignorance of the fine art of spin, of course, but it's okay to assume a posture of taking the good and rejecting the bad—even within the one individual. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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It only takes a few. |
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Wokko
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Why aren't the Jews or Orthodox involved? There are more than 3 major (Abrahamic) religions. |
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watt price tully
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Wokko wrote: | Why aren't the Jews or Orthodox involved? There are more than 3 major (Abrahamic) religions. |
As far as I know Jews are communists, capitalists, control wall street, control the media, dominate international finance, control hollywood, control the media, are responsible for death & famine, are responsible for Ukraine if you're Russian, responsible for Russia if you're Ukrainian, caused the GFC, caused the loss to Freo last week, caused 9/11 in the US, caused 7/7 in the UK, caused the Syrian situation & control the world as we know it.
Why bother? _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough†Kinky Friedman |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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I don't really have an issue with Andrew Forrest as a human being and am glad that he's pumping some of his absurd wealth into positive projects. I do though disagree strongly with the system that allows him to gain so much personal wealth in the first place.
This initiative is good, but how much better would it be if all the money gained from taxing Forrest and other billionaires were pumped into humanitarian projects like this directly via government revenue? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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stui magpie
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David wrote: | I don't really have an issue with Andrew Forrest as a human being and am glad that he's pumping some of his absurd wealth into positive projects. I do though disagree strongly with the system that allows him to gain so much personal wealth in the first place.
This initiative is good, but how much better would it be if all the money gained from taxing Forrest and other billionaires were pumped into humanitarian projects like this directly via government revenue? |
It wouldn't work because without their contribution the rest of us would have to pay more to pay for basic services. The top few percent of income earners pay a much larger percentage of the overall income tax revenue. I saw an American stat today that was a few years old that had (from memory) the top 10% of income earners paying over 50% of the overall income tax.
Yeah, they can divert a lot through using company assets but if you earn $3mil ps your going to be paying over $1mil in tax.
Edit, did a quick google search and this came up first.
Quote: | Separate data from the Australian Taxation Office confirm rising progressivity. Based on income tax returns from the 2010-11 financial year, the top 1 per cent of individual income earners - who in the 2010-11 tax year were those with taxable incomes of more than $281,800 a year - paid $23.55bn or 17.7 per cent of the total income tax haul, up from 17 per cent in 2009-10.
Meanwhile, the top 10 per cent of taxpayers - with taxable incomes of more than $105,500 - paid 46 per cent, up from 45.3 per cent a year earlier. The bottom third paid less than 5 per cent in both periods. |
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/no-the-rich-dont-pay-a-fair-share-of-tax-they-pay-all-of-it/story-e6frgd0x-1226841174461
Obviously slanted article but if the data is accurate............... _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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I'd really like A slave, could come in handy, doesn't matter their religion _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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