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Proud Pies 
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yes it was a question and i said it wasn't anybody's business but the person involved, but then i got attacked by Joffa for saying that. That certainly made it sound like a demand, yet he didn't explain why HE needed to know.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl 
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I am all for abortion. I had the unfortunate result of being raped last year and was pretty much in a city I didn't know 100% well and had to rely on a friend to help me out before I could go home. I was taken to a hospital where it just happened to be catholic, and they would not even let me in once we told them why I was there and needed urgent medical attention. I was treated like a piece of trash and was kicked out. Two hospitals later, no luck, so I had to get an urgent flight back to Sydney to go an emergency room where someone would give me a rape kit and the morning after pill.
This topic makes me really angry and so do people like Tony Abbott who let their religious beliefs get in the way. I am not religious, and for (mates with) sake, if I don't want a child, then I don't want one - especially when I was held against my own will.
If the person carrying the baby cannot look after it and is not emotionally prepared to go through it, then they have every right to not want to have a baby. No matter the circumstances, if a female is pregnant, and does not want to proceed, then that is their own choice.
Far out I hate Tony Abbott.
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sherrife 
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...hope you have dealt with it as much as is possible, hope something good has come out of it - personal strength, passion for a cause, whatever, hope you're relatively okay now
F*ck Tony Abbot, and that Catholic hospital too, i find it really really unbelievable that they would do that.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl
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| sherrife wrote: | | ...hope you have dealt with it as much as is possible, hope something good has come out of it - personal strength, passion for a cause, whatever, hope you're relatively okay now |
I'm fine now. It was tough at the time because I lost my job over it and my boyfriend was overseas when it happened. I stopped talking to a lot of people because I just didn't want to talk about it. I didn't start really thinking about it until this year. It made me a lot more of a stronger person, and made me realise not to trust people who make themselves out to be a friend. It didn't make me bitter, however I do know I will run into him at some point, and when I do, I hope I will have the strength to say something to him, because he thinks he didn't do anything wrong 
As for the Catholic Hospital, the police dealt with that shortly after I reported the incident (but did not press charges). I don't want to name the hospital (it's a Melbourne one), but the way they handled it was really piss poor. I understand that they won't issue the morning after pill, however it wasn't what I asked for, all I wanted was to be checked up, but they turned me away and referred me to another hospital. I didn't want to keep trying, I just wanted to go home.
However back on topic, I think in the terms that if someone is raped, yet they are refused an abortion is a deprivation of your human rights.
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Hanskies 
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| Proud Pies wrote: | when a man can carry a child through 9 months of pregnancy, then and only then can they determine what's best for their own bodies, mind and soul.
Other than that, it's up to each and every woman to make that decision. |
Agree with you 100% !
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stoliboy 
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I support a woman's right to choose and make decisions over the integrity of her own body.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl
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That is the best slogan I've seen. Love it.
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David 
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I think people misunderstand when they see abortion as a religious issue.
There is actually nothing in the Bible that explicitly states abortion is wrong. Of course, the Catholic Church may have doctrine on the issue, but I doubt that most protestant Christians take heed of it anyhow. The fact that most of them do oppose abortion relate more to their views on the sanctity of human life than anything.
As for Tony Abbott, he expresses a personal ethical view which I think is as valid as any.
However, the refusal by any hospital to deal with a rape case is a serious issue, and I think you would be perfectly justified in taking some sort of legal action against the hospital in question.
It seems I'm pretty alone on this, but I still believe that a woman should NOT have complete rights over her unborn baby. The alternative view doesn't even make logical sense, if used as a broad statement. After all, how does it then apply to babies who are about to be born? They're still a part of the woman's body, right?
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PiesOnCollins
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| What an intersting thread, the males het hamered by the females telling them that they can't tell a female what to do with her body, well well well, does the unborn child have a say in this, or is it ok for the female to decide whether to kill the unborn child or keep.....seems like people take a special gift for granted, shame on you! |
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HAL
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| Call me the Global Village Idiot. |
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nomadjack
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| David wrote: | | As for Tony Abbott, he expresses a personal ethical view which I think is as valid as any. |
If it was just expressing a personal view I would agree with you David, but Abbott has never left it at this. His unsuccessful attempt at preventing the drug RU486 being made available to women despite the findings and recommendations of a parliamentary committee and medical expert after medical expert is a clear example of this 'personal' view finding it's way into policy. His awarding of abortion counselling service contracts to religious groups who you might expect would struggle to provide balanced advice on theoptions available to pregnant women is another example of his personal views on the issue intruding onto his public role. |
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PiesOnCollins
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| I don't care what anyone says about Abbott, i wouldn't trust him like i also wouldn't trust ru486. |
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Morrigu 
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| SydMagpieBimbo wrote: | I am all for abortion. I had the unfortunate result of being raped last year and was pretty much in a city I didn't know 100% well and had to rely on a friend to help me out before I could go home. I was taken to a hospital where it just happened to be catholic, and they would not even let me in once we told them why I was there and needed urgent medical attention. I was treated like a piece of trash and was kicked out. Two hospitals later, no luck, so I had to get an urgent flight back to Sydney to go an emergency room where someone would give me a rape kit and the morning after pill.
This topic makes me really angry and so do people like Tony Abbott who let their religious beliefs get in the way. I am not religious, and for (mates with) sake, if I don't want a child, then I don't want one - especially when I was held against my own will.
If the person carrying the baby cannot look after it and is not emotionally prepared to go through it, then they have every right to not want to have a baby. No matter the circumstances, if a female is pregnant, and does not want to proceed, then that is their own choice.
Far out I hate Tony Abbott. |
Sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience with the health system here 
In my mid 20 years I had to have hysterectomy due to cancer - as the op had to happen quickly I was in a catholic hospital
I had the same treatment - 2 weeks in there and hardly a nurse or doc spoke to me because as a result of my op I would never be able to have kids - that aint the catholic way (and just as an aside I was raised catholic)
They even bought a priest in to counsel me on having my marriage annuled as "relationships" aka sex was only for procreation 
At some time we will all be faced with decisions we would rather not make and sometimes such decisions are all but out of our control
You can only hope that non-judgemental assistance is there when it is needed - obviously we still have a long way to go!
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David
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| PiesOnCollins wrote: | | I don't care what anyone says about Abbott, i wouldn't trust him like i also wouldn't trust ru486. |
This is a major point - the facts about RU486 were always a bit hazy, and while Abbott may have been letting his personal views intrude on the debate, it was never just about the ethics of abortion as such, but also whether the drug was reliable.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl
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| Morrigu wrote: | | SydMagpieBimbo wrote: | I am all for abortion. I had the unfortunate result of being raped last year and was pretty much in a city I didn't know 100% well and had to rely on a friend to help me out before I could go home. I was taken to a hospital where it just happened to be catholic, and they would not even let me in once we told them why I was there and needed urgent medical attention. I was treated like a piece of trash and was kicked out. Two hospitals later, no luck, so I had to get an urgent flight back to Sydney to go an emergency room where someone would give me a rape kit and the morning after pill.
This topic makes me really angry and so do people like Tony Abbott who let their religious beliefs get in the way. I am not religious, and for (mates with) sake, if I don't want a child, then I don't want one - especially when I was held against my own will.
If the person carrying the baby cannot look after it and is not emotionally prepared to go through it, then they have every right to not want to have a baby. No matter the circumstances, if a female is pregnant, and does not want to proceed, then that is their own choice.
Far out I hate Tony Abbott. |
Sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience with the health system here
In my mid 20 years I had to have hysterectomy due to cancer - as the op had to happen quickly I was in a catholic hospital
I had the same treatment - 2 weeks in there and hardly a nurse or doc spoke to me because as a result of my op I would never be able to have kids - that aint the catholic way (and just as an aside I was raised catholic)
They even bought a priest in to counsel me on having my marriage annuled as "relationships" aka sex was only for procreation
At some time we will all be faced with decisions we would rather not make and sometimes such decisions are all but out of our control
You can only hope that non-judgemental assistance is there when it is needed - obviously we still have a long way to go! |
I don't even know what to say to that...I am shocked and disgusted at the way you were treated. That would of been an awful thing to go through. Sorry to hear that 
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