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member34258
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How many people have been executed who are innocent of the crime they have died for?
Don't think it can happen? Read this.
http://www.newsbatch.com/deathpenalty.htm
| Quote: | | In January 2000, Governor George Ryan of Illinois imposed a moratorium on the imposition of the death penalty in Illinois. In reviewing death penalty cases since 1977, he determined that 13 death row inmates in the state had been cleared of murder charges, compared to 12 who had been put to death. Some of the 13 inmates were taken off death row after DNA evidence exonerated them; the cases of others collapsed after new trials were ordered by appellate courts. "There is a flaw in the system, without question, and it needs to be studied", Ryan said. |
The system is flawed and should be universally halted. |
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David 
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I think the 'innocence' argument that opponents of the death penalty employ is faulty.
Think of it this way. What is the alternative to the death penalty?
Life in prison.
Now, if you ask me, life in prison is pretty much as bad as a death sentence. After all, what kind of life can you have in jail?
So, an innocent being thrown in jail for the rest of their life is pretty bad in itself.
You may say that at least a life sentence provides a chance for appeal, but in the united states they're kept on death row for so long that I think that is pretty much covered anyhow. I think the guy who was sentenced to death for shooting Lee Harvey Oswald was on death row for a good five or six years and then died of cancer anyway.
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | Go_The_Mighty_Magpies wrote: | | The best way for parents to prevent these sick kind of attacks on their children is adequate supervision. A five year old shouldn't be alone in the toilet block. |
A lot of truth in that statement Bec
But first we must never ever give these type of lowlifes any justification for such offences..sending a toddler into a public toilet at a sporting venue shouldnt become a peadophiles tea party.
In this case the mother of the young lad waited outside she probably fell out of sorts going into a males toilets with her son, its sickening to think these perverts lurk around sporting venues waiting for any oppertunity to strike that is appalling and the only answer is we must deal with these bastards like never before. |
I agree there is definately no justification of such a sick attack. It's not ok for children to be attacked because they're vulnerable. I can understand the mother not wanting to go into the men's toilets. Maybe she could have taken him into the female toilets but I can understand her not feeling comfortable with that either. But at the end of the day, what's more important, minor embarrassment or making sure your child is safe?
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joffa corfe
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Law breakers have no rights..we the normal law abiding citizens have the right to live in a society free of civil disobedience we have the right to believe when we leave our homes we are free to do to so without some scumbag for whatever reason ready and willing to perpetrate his evil crimes.
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LOL thanks mate its great enjoying the victory? |
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Pa Marmo
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| member34258 wrote: | How many people have been executed who are innocent of the crime they have died for?
Don't think it can happen? Read this.
http://www.newsbatch.com/deathpenalty.htm
| Quote: | | In January 2000, Governor George Ryan of Illinois imposed a moratorium on the imposition of the death penalty in Illinois. In reviewing death penalty cases since 1977, he determined that 13 death row inmates in the state had been cleared of murder charges, compared to 12 who had been put to death. Some of the 13 inmates were taken off death row after DNA evidence exonerated them; the cases of others collapsed after new trials were ordered by appellate courts. "There is a flaw in the system, without question, and it needs to be studied", Ryan said. |
The system is flawed and should be universally halted. |
With DNA and modern forensic breakthroughs we can sort through the maybes and put the guilty in the dirt. This, as I pointed out earlier does not drop the crime rate but it does stop re-offenders.
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | [Well fair enough i didnt realise that request had come from the Police]
That's the point Joffa, most of the time we don't realise because we don't have access to the full facts of the case, and instead go off half-cocked. |
Yes i did come into this one half cocked nomad my apologies, i got my story from the ninemsn news website but i guess in the scheme of things my comming in half cocked is pretty lame when compared to a sleaze sexual monster preying on young boys at sporting venues. |
No need to apologise Joffa, and yes you're right it is pretty lame compared to this lowlife scumbag's act. My point was simply that people need to make sure they get their facts straight before slagging off at important insitutions like the police, the judiciary, the political system etc, or at individual or organisations for that matter, that's all. In your case, for example, you were hinting that the tournament organisers might have been putting profits before the need to alert people about the attack - that's a pretty serious allegation to make and one I'm sure you would hate to be made about you. All I'm saying is that there are usually valid reasons why things surrounding, for example, court cases, or government decisions, happen as they do, and that people need to take the time and care to look deeper before jumping in boots and all.
And by the way, criminals do have rights - the right to due process. Good luck keeping society functioning if you do away with that.
And Nuxta, good to see you're so confident about DNA testing and forensic science. Have a look at the Jaiden Leskie coronial inquiry and try and explain how the DNA of a person totally unrelated to the case (was from another rape trial from memory) got mixed up with the evidence. Evidence sometimes gets planted, and mistakes get made -I'd love to see every sick bastard who rapes or murders get put down too, but if one innocent person gets put to death by mistake the cost is too high. |
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member34258
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More fuel for the debate.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0921-08.htm
| Quote: | "DNA testing is a very good tool to prove the innocence of inmates, but unfortunately it does not mean the end of erroneous capital executions," Holdridge said.
But it does point up the weaknesses in the U.S. justice system: Innocent people still are being put to death by the government. |
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joffa corfe
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| nomadjack wrote: | | joffa corfe wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | [Well fair enough i didnt realise that request had come from the Police]
That's the point Joffa, most of the time we don't realise because we don't have access to the full facts of the case, and instead go off half-cocked. |
Yes i did come into this one half cocked nomad my apologies, i got my story from the ninemsn news website but i guess in the scheme of things my comming in half cocked is pretty lame when compared to a sleaze sexual monster preying on young boys at sporting venues. |
No need to apologise Joffa, and yes you're right it is pretty lame compared to this lowlife scumbag's act. My point was simply that people need to make sure they get their facts straight before slagging off at important insitutions like the police, the judiciary, the political system etc, or at individual or organisations for that matter, that's all. In your case, for example, you were hinting that the tournament organisers might have been putting profits before the need to alert people about the attack - that's a pretty serious allegation to make and one I'm sure you would hate to be made about you. All I'm saying is that there are usually valid reasons why things surrounding, for example, court cases, or government decisions, happen as they do, and that people need to take the time and care to look deeper before jumping in boots and all.
And by the way, criminals do have rights - the right to due process. Good luck keeping society functioning if you do away with that.
And Nuxta, good to see you're so confident about DNA testing and forensic science. Have a look at the Jaiden Leskie coronial inquiry and try and explain how the DNA of a person totally unrelated to the case (was from another rape trial from memory) got mixed up with the evidence. Evidence sometimes gets planted, and mistakes get made -I'd love to see every sick bastard who rapes or murders get put down too, but if one innocent person gets put to death by mistake the cost is too high. |
I have nothing but respect for our marvellous police force but i feel on this occasion someone made a wrong call.
Our justice system is a complete farce
Cheers nomad 
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I'm amazed by how many on this board seem keen for us to become a police state.
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Apparently, there has been a third person charged for snatching photographs (and vice versa) at the tennis.
However, he got busted whilst filming a female tourist, who was having a shower, in the hostel both were staying at. It was only after the police searched his belongings did they find the tennis shots.
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joffa corfe
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| Nutmeg wrote: | | I'm amazed by how many on this board seem keen for us to become a police state. |
What a stupd ignorant comment.
you have absolutely no idea of reality do you ? so i guess your pretty happy with things ?
A five year old boy is sexually attacked and all you can say is some of us want us to become a police state!
Yeah well if thats the case you bet i bloody well do.. if that means some dirty vile stinking scumbag doesnt lay his dirty vile stinking hands on a five year old boy...yes please give me a police state anyday!!!
What a stupid comment nutmeg im a liitle dissapointed with you, up until now ive enjoyed reading all your responses in this forum!!
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | Nutmeg wrote: | | I'm amazed by how many on this board seem keen for us to become a police state. |
What a stupd ignorant comment.
you have absolutely no idea of reality do you ? so i guess your pretty happy with things ? |
Hmmm, Joffa. We all like to call ourselves (one eyed pie supporters) But really, it may be wise to have two eye's open on this (police state) topic.
| joffa corfe wrote: | A five year old boy is sexually attacked and all you can say is some of us want us to become a 'police state!.....Yeah well if thats the case you bet i bloody well do.. if that means some dirty vile stinking scumbag doesnt lay his dirty vile stinking hands on a five year old boy...yes please give me a police state anyday!!!
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Joffa, Priets-judges-police.officers-teachers-mothers-fathers-uncles-aunty's-brothers and sisters have ALL been convicted of molesting children. How is a 'police state' going to [100%] protect the children?
A 'police state' WILL NOT stop sexual predators for behaving as they do. You have the choice to behave correctly! Predators have a choice to behave incorrectly, if they are convicted, they go to jail! Yes it is true the penalty isn't justified! But it comes down to choice, it is a bizzare world but "we" need to understand the world - to survive in it.
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joffa corfe
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| eddies bank balance wrote: | | joffa corfe wrote: | | Nutmeg wrote: | | I'm amazed by how many on this board seem keen for us to become a police state. |
What a stupd ignorant comment.
you have absolutely no idea of reality do you ? so i guess your pretty happy with things ? |
Hmmm, Joffa. We all like to call ourselves (one eyed pie supporters) But really, it may be wise to have two eye's open on this (police state) topic.
| joffa corfe wrote: | A five year old boy is sexually attacked and all you can say is some of us want us to become a 'police state!.....Yeah well if thats the case you bet i bloody well do.. if that means some dirty vile stinking scumbag doesnt lay his dirty vile stinking hands on a five year old boy...yes please give me a police state anyday!!!
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Joffa, Priets-judges-police.officers-teachers-mothers-fathers-uncles-aunty's-brothers and sisters have ALL been convicted of molesting children. How is a 'police state' going to [100%] protect the children?
A 'police state' WILL NOT stop sexual predators for behaving as they do. You have the choice to behave correctly! Predators have a choice to behave incorrectly, if they are convicted, they go to jail! Yes it is true the penalty isn't justified! But it comes down to choice, it is a bizzare world but "we" need to understand the world - to survive in it. |
I agree with what you say and the sad reality is that some people who frequent this website probably do so with child pornography on their computer so widespread is this illness.
But i find it offensive for anyone to suggest that some of us are screaming out for a police state simply because we question our judicial system which supposedly hands out justice to criminals, we live in violent times and many of us dont feel safe... and again i answer the accusation would i rather live in a police state or live in a state run by criminals...give me the police state anyday!
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