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sherrife 
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
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Patriotic load of bull.
The flag means about as much to me as vegemite. Probably less, since i like the taste of vegemite.
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Dr Alf Andrews 
Fitzroy Victoria Bowling Club
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| sherrife wrote: | Patriotic load of bull.
The flag means about as much to me as vegemite. Probably less, since i like the taste of vegemite. |
The flag tastes really good too ... especially the red bits.
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Dr Alf Andrews
Fitzroy Victoria Bowling Club
Joined: 20 Oct 2001
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It's a bit cruel making the poor kid carry that abomination through the streets ... I would have thought a couple of minutes on the naughty spot would have been sufficient punishment.
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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| sherrife wrote: | Patriotic load of bull.
The flag means about as much to me as vegemite. Probably less, since i like the taste of vegemite. |
hmm sherrife, we'd better not make a habit of this... but I sort of agree with you 
The 'flag' itself is meaningless. What the guy was trying to say, symbolically, may have been more offensive to people, but reading that just made me laugh. What was he trying to say? That he really, really hated Australia? I don't think anybody really cares.
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The Prototype 
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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bucksisgod
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: Rock hard
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| David wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | Patriotic load of bull.
The flag means about as much to me as vegemite. Probably less, since i like the taste of vegemite. |
hmm sherrife, we'd better not make a habit of this... but I sort of agree with you
The 'flag' itself is meaningless. What the guy was trying to say, symbolically, may have been more offensive to people, but reading that just made me laugh. What was he trying to say? That he really, really hated Australia? I don't think anybody really cares. |
What a colossal pair of boofheads you and Sherrife would be. The flag is a symbol of national unity and pride, and whether you like it or not you should be patriotic enough to at least respect it. It may garner different meanings and emotions to different people, but it is certainly not meaningless. To urinate on and to burn ANY countries national flag is a disgraceful act. Men have died for our country, for you and I , under that banner. Tell me it's meaningless on Anzac Day as the last post is playing.
You should be ashamed of yourselves and your pitiful view, REALLY. As for nobody caring that he hates our country, Well I do. Australia was good enough to give him and his family a safe place to migrate to, and he shows no respect for our values and culture.
Australia- Love it - simple really. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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Maybe, but to me patriotism is an enigma. Shouldn't we feel loyal to the human race rather than just our particular country?
Anyway, there's many people who were born here who show far less respect for our country simply by the way that they behave. If you ask me, someone who spits on a Muslim girl, for example (and it does happen, too), is 10 times worse than someone who burns a flag.
What this guy did was purely symbolic. He was saying, intentionally or otherwise, that he hates Australia. Thank God that he didn't put his feelings into real action and start terrorising passers-by, or bombing Parliament House. So in the end, it was nothing more than a pathetic way of attracting attention to how he felt. As long as he doesn't put his feelings into 'action' then I don't really care.
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bucksisgod
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: Rock hard
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| David wrote: | Maybe, but to me patriotism is an enigma. Shouldn't we feel loyal to the human race rather than just our particular country?
Anyway, there's many people who were born here who show far less respect for our country simply by the way that they behave. If you ask me, someone who spits on a Muslim girl, for example (and it does happen, too), is 10 times worse than someone who burns a flag.
What this guy did was purely symbolic. He was saying, intentionally or otherwise, that he hates Australia. Thank God that he didn't put his feelings into real action and start terrorising passers-by, or bombing Parliament House. So in the end, it was nothing more than a pathetic way of attracting attention to how he felt. As long as he doesn't put his feelings into 'action' then I don't really care. |
What an ill-informed view, Is apathy your specialty?
How could you be loyal to 'the human race' when you're disloyal to your own countrymen? Gotta start somewhere David.
To compare burning and urinating on a national symbol to alleged spitting on a muslim woman is ridiculous ( BTW I'd like to know how you're such an authority on this happening, witnessed it yourself or just repeating an urban legend ?) . I won't mention the ALLEGED crimes or the ones found proven by the court committed by muslim men in Sydney against caucasian women as you're probably aware of them? You have no idea about racial tensions in Sydney to which this event was an indicator. Contrary to your "Thank god he didn't put his feelings into real action and start terrorising passers-by" comment, many men were beaten remorselessly by this same group. A couple of people were stabbed. At least this former piece of human filth is trying to atone for his ignorance and assimilate now. I understand that some people who were born here are also a bad indictment on Australians and that there is good and bad in all races and creeds, Australian and otherwise, but to defend the action of burning the Australian flag is disloyal in the extreme. Have some pride in yourself as an Australian and your country. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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1) yes I have, it happened to a girl I go to school with, who I know quite well.
2) it's not a ridiculous comparison. I was just using it as an example of how someone can be disrespectful to this country in other ways than just burning a flag
3) I thought we were discussing, specifically, the burning and urinating on an Australian flag. No, I'll admit I wasn't aware that this guy stabbed and beat people mercilessly as well, but it goes to show how insignificant flag-burning is compared to what else he did.
4) where did I defend his actions? In both my posts, I said that I found it laughable and pathetic. Not the adjectives one would usually use to describe something they support.
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bucksisgod
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1. Well, if it did happen to your friend my commiserations. I could also transcrbe a litany of prosecuted crimes against caucasian women in Sydney by muslim men, doesn't make them all bad but it's certainly not one way traffic.
2. It really is a ridiculous analogy, someone singularly allegedly spitting on someone else to burning and urinating on a national flag.
3. Yes, we were but there is a history behind that incident that you are obviously not well versed in, and he singularly didn't stab anyone(to my knowledge anyway) that incident was a retaliation to the Cronulla protest of that paticular religion congregating in groups to harass and threaten to rape women on the beach and specifically the bashing of a lifeguard by same.
4. You defend his action by saying, your quote 'The flag itself is meaningless" That is defending his actions by saying it's no big deal because you don't respect the flag. It trivialises and belittles the meaning of his actions?
You don't specifically endorse his actions, But you don't condemn them either. I do.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| bucksisgod wrote: | 1. Well, if it did happen to your friend my commiserations. I could also transcrbe a litany of prosecuted crimes against caucasian women in Sydney by muslim men, doesn't make them all bad but it's certainly not one way traffic.
2. It really is a ridiculous analogy, someone singularly allegedly spitting on someone else to burning and urinating on a national flag.
3. Yes, we were but there is a history behind that incident that you are obviously not well versed in, and he singularly didn't stab anyone(to my knowledge anyway) that incident was a retaliation to the Cronulla protest of that nationality congregating in groups to harass and threaten to rape women on the beach and specifically the bashing of a lifeguard by same.
4. You defend his action by saying, your quote 'The flag itself is meaningless" That is defending his actions by saying it's no big deal because you don't respect the flag. It trivialises and belittles the meaning of his actions?
You don't specifically endorse his actions, But you don't condemn them either. I do. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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I think you missed my point completely. As I've tried to say, I was not comparing assaulting women to flag burning, I was simply trying to make another point (that is, that I have my own definition of being disrespectful to this country).
I stand by the last point, that the flag itself means nothing. Maybe we have to agree to disagree on that point. However, don't you see at the same time that you are in a way supporting what he did by saying what a terrible thing it was to do? I am saying it was stupid and pointless. I think the reaction he wanted was your one.
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bucksisgod
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| David wrote: | I think you missed my point completely. As I've tried to say, I was not comparing assaulting women to flag burning, I was simply trying to make another point (that is, that I have my own definition of being disrespectful to this country).
I stand by the last point, that the flag itself means nothing. Maybe we have to agree to disagree on that point. However, don't you see at the same time that you are in a way supporting what he did by saying what a terrible thing it was to do? I am saying it was stupid and pointless. I think the reaction he wanted was your one. |
Your apathy and disrespect is nearly as offensive as his actions.
Yeah, tell that to the widows of men that died representing it.
I do disagree and you're plainly wrong.
Oh, yeah whether it pissed me off or not that was a factor in his thinking  .
He was symbolliclly pissing on our country.
The bold section is just plainly stupid.
Yep, I'll condemn that everyday of the week. |
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Piethagoras' Theorem 
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
Joined: 29 May 2006
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It's a good thing he didn't do it to a US flag. Imagine the uproar
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bucksisgod
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| frankiboy wrote: | | It's a good thing he didn't do it to a US flag. Imagine the uproar |
Exactly Franki, proud patriotic people who passionately frown on that shit.
Wish we had more. |
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