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Joel 
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| sherrife wrote: | Joel Japan wanted to surrender months before that... The only condition was that Emperor Hirohito keeps his position as figurehead of the Japanese State. The US refused this condition and thus the war continued, and thousands of people died for nothing.
Check your history books before parrotting the view of the victors. |
Yeah, and why would they allow him to remain as the figurehead? Yeah, it's always so simple.
I'm not saying that what happened was nice either. |
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Joel
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| Anyhow, can we not hijack this thread with anti-US sentiment, and concentrate on the actual issue here. |
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Proud Pies 
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| Joel wrote: | | Anyhow, can we not hijack this thread with anti-US sentiment, and concentrate on the actual issue here. |
yes, Anti North Korea sentiment please!
My father fought againt the North Koreans in the Korean War (1950-1953). He, and all those that fought against them, all fought under the United Nations Banner.
It was a pointless war back then and the UN hasn't been able to reign in the Korean regime since.
As soon as anyone tries to do anything, they threaten the South Korean people.
At least with this even their once allies in China and Russia are condemning them.
KIM Jong Il is a very dangerous man indeed.
Far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein I believe. (at least we know for a fact that they have weapons of mass destruction!)
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Joel
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Will people actually condemn anything that is even remotely anti-US?
Nah, it's okay that Nth Korea want to fire nuclear bombs:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/n-korea-missile-warning/2006/10/10/1160246132028.html
| Quote: | NORTH Korea has threatened to take its brinkmanship to another level — firing nuclear missiles — unless the United States changes its stance towards it and sits "face to face at the negotiation table".
"We want this situation to be concluded before the unhappy situation arises in which we fire nuclear missiles, and this depends on how the United States acts," a North Korean official told South Korea's Yonhap news agency in Beijing. |
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Proud Pies
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| Joel wrote: | Will people actually condemn anything that is even remotely anti-US?
Nah, it's okay that Nth Korea want to fire nuclear bombs:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/n-korea-missile-warning/2006/10/10/1160246132028.html
| Quote: | NORTH Korea has threatened to take its brinkmanship to another level — firing nuclear missiles — unless the United States changes its stance towards it and sits "face to face at the negotiation table".
"We want this situation to be concluded before the unhappy situation arises in which we fire nuclear missiles, and this depends on how the United States acts," a North Korean official told South Korea's Yonhap news agency in Beijing. |
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yeah Joel, that actually scares me.
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David 
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| Joel wrote: | | KIM Jong Il is a very dangerous man indeed. |
It's not his fault... he's just lonely 
I hope he didn't watch Team America and get any ideas 
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bucksisgod 
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I don't think we need to worry down here. An attack on Australia would result in retaliation from the USA. .[/quote]
Exactly Tess, and if god forbid it did happen, I'm tipping all those anti USA baggers would be draping themselves in the stars and stripes, singing the star spangled banner and thanking their lucky stars that the US had protected them. Hypocrites. |
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David
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lol you're probably right bucksisgod. The question is, if North Korea attacked us with missiles, would there actually be anybody left to be a hypocrite? 
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Gazza05
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Thats right David. Too scary. Just when relations with Russia had improved the world changes again and we have new threats.
Makes you worry for yours kids
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Hypocracy is supporting a nation who have killed thousands of innocent people with a nuclear bomb then condemning one that is purely testing.
I absolutely do not condone what Korea are doing and abhor anything that's remotely related to war. Just reckon people should look in their own backyards before passing judgement.
The US are no less guilty than most when it comes to war and its atrocities and quite frankly I'm sick of them playing big brother and assuming themselves as the champions of world peace. Pfft!!
Don't see them sticking their noses in Africa or Sth E Asia for a helping hand where millions have died through corrupt government and despots ruling. Why? Cos its too hard and they have no vested intersest in the areas that's why.
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Joel
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| frankiboy wrote: | | Hypocracy is supporting a nation who have killed thousands of innocent people with a nuclear bomb then condemning one that is purely testing. |
I understand. But, that was a different time, different morals, different circumstances, and in hindsight everyone has an opinion, and thinks they can do better.
| Quote: | | I'm sick of them playing big brother and assuming themselves as the champions of world peace. Pfft!! |
I think everyone is to be honest, but I'm not about to support Nth Korea because I'm over the US playing Big Brother.
| Quote: | | Don't see them sticking their noses in Africa or Sth E Asia for a helping hand where millions have died through corrupt government and despots ruling. Why? Cos its too hard and they have no vested intersest in the areas that's why. |
Every government rules for their own people (or the great majority). If they didn't do so, they'd be voted out.
But, like I said, can we refrain from turning this into a USA bashfest. We all know they are guilty of fuckups, but I hope people don't deny for one second that the US (and alot of other countries) are in the wrong for fearing a psycho, self interested dictator with nuclear weapons. |
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sherrife
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Jeez Guys! Talk about believing misinformation!
1. North Korea don't have the missile capability to launch weapons anywhere near Australia. In fact they can barely reach Japan with traditional missiles, and have zero capacity at the moment to carry something as big as a nuke for that distance. Yes they could develop it, but that is some time off, there is plenty of room for diplomacy here.
2. North Korea doesn't give a flying ^#%@ about the international pissant that is Australia. They would not waste one of their precious nukes on our little nation.
3. Nukes are more of a deterrant than an actual strategic weapon and have been for decades. NK will not use nuclear weapons unless they feel directly, physically threatened. This will only happen if people (the US) act stupidly and treat this as an imminent crisis. Yes it is a SIGNIFICANT upping of the ante, but still there is no reason for anything military to occur just yet.
Yes some new pressures need to be brought to bear on this bastard of a dictator, however this needs to be done carefully and not out of some fearful reaction.
Oh BTW, Joel you're assuming the rulers are actually elected in the first place. Big mistake.
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Joel
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| sherrife wrote: | | Jeez Guys! Talk about believing misinformation! |
Misinformation? According to who? Nth Korea are the people that said it.
| Quote: | | 1. North Korea don't have the missile capability to launch weapons anywhere near Australia. In fact they can barely reach Japan with traditional missiles, and have zero capacity at the moment to carry something as big as a nuke for that distance. Yes they could develop it, but that is some time off, there is plenty of room for diplomacy here. |
That may be true, but no one knew how close they were to a nuclear bomb until this week. Even last week when they said they were going test a bomb, most thought it would be a while before such a test would take place...not 4 days later. Does anyone really know the actual capacity of North Korea? Btw, no one said people believe the 'misinformation', people are just worried that a country such as Nth Korea now have the capability to even make a nuclear bomb.
| Quote: | | 2. North Korea doesn't give a flying ^#%@ about the international pissant that is Australia. They would not waste one of their precious nukes on our little nation. |
So what? So shouldn't we 'give a flying ****' about the rest of the world?
| Quote: | | 3. Nukes are more of a deterrant than an actual strategic weapon and have been for decades. NK will not use nuclear weapons unless they feel directly, physically threatened. This will only happen if people (the US) act stupidly and treat this as an imminent crisis. Yes it is a SIGNIFICANT upping of the ante, but still there is no reason for anything military to occur just yet. |
I don't think most people want North Korea to be invaded, or bombed. But, it's not just the US that can act stupidly.
| Quote: | | Yes some new pressures need to be brought to bear on this bastard of a dictator, however this needs to be done carefully and not out of some fearful reaction. |
Exactly. That said, however, why would he change tact now and listen to anyone? He has snubbed his number one ally in China, so why would he do an about face?
| Quote: | | Oh BTW, Joel you're assuming the rulers are actually elected in the first place. Big mistake. |
Yeah, yeah, I know Bush probably shouldn't be there. But, other than that, I hope you are not referring to any conspiracy theories here. |
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bucksisgod
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Oh yeah, everyone else is misinformed but Sherrife's in the know. 
Good to see someone knows exactly what N.Korea is planning. You should be on the next flight to The White House.
Tell me Mr. Military strategist, How have you gleaned the inside scoop that has eluded all other Government agencies? Are you Mossad, MI5, ASIO or FBI? |
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sherrife
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1. Exactly, NK gains the most from overstating its capacity for war.
2. Everyone who studies International Relations knew they had nukes actually. But yes i think it was suprising they tested so soon after threatening to, seems a waste of a threat.
3. Yea of course we should, but my point was simply that we shouldn't be scared and think that NK will attack us. That sort of paranoia doesn't help us make logical decisions.
4. It's not just the US obviously, but basically the US is the only nation in a position to invade or blockade North Korea. Any military action taken would be initiated by them, and that includes blockades (which NK has said will consider an act of war).
Lastly, I was talking about the African rulers mate, not Bush 
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