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Culprit 
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| nuxta wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | | Israel's interest in Lebanon for example is mostly due to Lebanon's huge fresh water supplies, more valuable in the Mid East than oil. |
Israel has not gone to Lebanon for water, thats for sure. Israel has gone to Lebanon to try to save some of its own and to inflict damage on hezbollah |
Israel has gone to kill the fanatics I heard today on ABC radio. Had a chuckle over that statement. Fanatics killing Fanatics. We should put that on all the dead childrens graves. |
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sherrife 
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| nuxta wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | | Israel's interest in Lebanon for example is mostly due to Lebanon's huge fresh water supplies, more valuable in the Mid East than oil. |
Israel has not gone to Lebanon for water, thats for sure. Israel has gone to Lebanon to try to save some of its own and to inflict damage on hezbollah |
Mate no offense, but how much have you studied Middle Eastern politics? It might not be relevant, but "thats for sure"? Really? Who's sure? I'm certainly not convinced that it's not a factor, just as most human beings are not convinced that oil wasn't a factor in Iraq.
"That's for sure"... far out closed mindedness really pisses me off.
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Pa Marmo
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Hang on pal. Israel was not in Lebnon untill these hezbollah terrorists snatched the 2 Israelis. What in the hell did it have to do with the water? It has nothing to do with being closed minded it is called judging each case on its merits. If the hezbollah had not ventured into ISRSAELI land and killed people and kidnapped others none of this would be happening. And as to your first question, I have studied enough not to be fooled by islamist rhetoric, because that really pisses me off
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HAL
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| Oh I'm sorry. Perhaps I can explain it again better. |
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David 
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Why DID Hezbollah start the whole thing anyway? Surely they must feel pretty stupid now. Or maybe this is exactly what they wanted.
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Pa Marmo
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It most certainly is David. What hezbollah are hoping for is the rest of the muslim world to unite and join in the removal of Israel. It was for this very same reason that Saddam launched scuds at Israel during gulf war 1, even though Israel had nothing to do with it.
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Culprit
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| nuxta wrote: | | It most certainly is David. What hezbollah are hoping for is the rest of the muslim world to unite and join in the removal of Israel. It was for this very same reason that Saddam launched scuds at Israel during gulf war 1, even though Israel had nothing to do with it. |
Next you will tell us Israel is innocent. The Jews are killing women and children all with the pretence they are going after the Hezbollah. They are doing this to put pressure on the Lebanese people to remove the Hezbollah. Trouble is they are making the Lebanese people unite behind the Hezbollah. Both parties are guilty of acts of Genocide. The world as one need to remove both fanatical religious regimes. They are not prepared to live in peace no matter what transpires. |
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Pa Marmo
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No Culprit, Im not saying they are inocent by any stretch of the imagination. All I was saying is that if hezbollah did not provke this last week none of this would not be taking place at the moment. Israel are most certainly being very heavy handed.
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Culprit
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| We have two evils at work here. I have had enough of both sides killing and pointing fingers at each other. Israel kills its a military action, the other side kills its terrorism. |
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skaman 
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The trouble is that Hezbollah has a military arm (Terrorist), and a political arm. Cant have it both ways. One tends to blend in with the other. It seems that alot of terrorist organisations do this. Militarily speaking, I find this very cowardly. They realise (even with the precise weaponry we have these days), innocents are going to die (which, aids their cause re: sympathy vote). The thing that disturbs me at the moment, at recent vigils by Lebanese in Australia, is the showing of Hezbollah flags. If these people show ANY links to a terrorist organisation, or sympathy towards them, then it should be bye, bye!!. We dont need that crap here. Agree that the Israelis seem to be heavy handed, but what is the alternative. Rightly or wrongly, they are pushed into a corner. One thing about the Jews these days (as opposed to history), is that they will never lie down again, and nowadays they have the teeth to bite back! Very messy situation. Too many factions who want a slice of the pie. Innocents, as with all wars, the young, the weak, the old, and the impoverished will be the losers once again. We pray for them and a quick resolution to the madness!
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Culprit
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With Israel now moving in on the ground they now have to fight without the help of their technology as they go from house to house. If they try to occupy Lebanon we will see more of their troops die and the political pressure then comes into play just as it has in the US with them occupying Iraq & Afghanistan.
It’s escalating each day as is the price of oil. |
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David
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What seems to be the most likely resolution at the moment?
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Culprit
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| David from Canberra wrote: | | What seems to be the most likely resolution at the moment? |
If the Jews keep moving into Lebanon, I would expect the Lebanese army to join with The Hezbollah in fighting its back to occupation by Israel. |
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sherrife
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| nuxta wrote: | | Hang on pal. Israel was not in Lebnon untill these hezbollah terrorists snatched the 2 Israelis. What in the hell did it have to do with the water? It has nothing to do with being closed minded it is called judging each case on its merits. If the hezbollah had not ventured into ISRSAELI land and killed people and kidnapped others none of this would be happening. And as to your first question, I have studied enough not to be fooled by islamist rhetoric, because that really pisses me off |
First of all we're talking about a crucial resource here, not about islamist rhetoric so I'm not sure how that was relevant.
Anyway, of course Israel needed a provocation in order to enter Lebanon, the same thing happened in 1982. But what i'm talking about involves the long term strategic thinking of a nation state desperate for resources, not specific tactical detail. My point was simply this:
One of the reasons why Israel has had a long-term interest in Lebanon is because of its natural resources, namely water. Is that so radical a claim that I have to sit here and debate it with you? Would you debate the fact that America is interested in S. Arabia due to it's Oil? Don't let specific events (ie. Hezballah's attack and Israel response) cloud overall strategic issues, because politicians and generals certainly don't.
The fact that Ehud Olmert said "the attack on Haifa is a turning point in Israel's history is clear evidence that Israel is using this entire saga as an opportunity to fulfill a pre-existing agenda: substancially undermining both Hezballah and Lebanon's social, political and economic resurgence.
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Culprit
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| Wil Israel use this as an excuse to attack Iran and hit their nuclear facilities? |
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