National Day Of Protest Nov 15

[Northern Pie]

Pretty easy to be out of touch with what the Labor party stands for these days when they pretty much stand for nothing at all. Are you suggesting that there is not a current push to go back to the left within the labor party ranks? and that the socialist agenda that forms the manifesto of the Labor movement is no longer desired by party faithful?...if that is the case then what is Jenny Macklin? are you saying she earnt her spot on the bench or is she just a payback for the union cronies who the current Labor party Caucus works for? I am not out of touch...no matter how far right or how far to the middle the labor party wants to become, their socialist, communistic values underly their policy and always will.

Cheers

[Culprit]

[Eunos]

I think that we need to actually go through the things you will need to negotiate with your boss to understand this new legislation.
Let's do it!

1.) Public Holidays. Even Anzac day and Xmas day need to be negotiated.
2.) "Normal" days of work. No longer is Mon-Fri considered normal. You need to negotiate what days are included in your 38 hour week.
3.) Meal Break. Lunch/Dinner is no longer a right. It must be negotiated.
4.) 38 hour week. The 38 hour week can be "averaged" over 52 weeks. This means you may work 10 days in a row then 4 off, with no penalty rate applying.
5.) "Normal" hours. Can now be considered normal any time in the 24 hours of a day, 7 days a week. No penalty rates apply.
6.) Sick Pay. Will now require a doctors certificate for any day taken sick. The doctors hate it as they cannot handle the workload. And of course you will have to pay for the certificate.
7.) Unfair dismissal. Apart from the "less than 100 employees" clause, it now appears that a company can dismiss you without recourse, if they have "operational" reasons. Means no company in Australia will ever face unfair dismissal cases ever again.
8.) Fair Pay Tribunal. Replaces the industrial commission to set minimum wage. As the newly appointed head of this tribunal has already stated that "God will guide him" I fear the poor will get poorer. Add to this the fact that the tribunal will take into account "what is best for Australia's international position" and I KNOW the poor will be screwed! Take a look at the 30 days program screening on 10. They tried to live on the minimum wage in the U.S., a wage that has not changed in 8 years. This is what we can expect in our future.


That list is just a start. Many more "potholes" for the worker to negotiate.

[Culprit]

[pies4ever]

Free ride for IR strikers pledged
11nov05

MELBOURNE'S public transport workers will refuse to check tickets next Tuesday morning as part of a protest against the Federal Government's new industrial relations laws, union leaders have said.

Victorian Trades Hall Council secretary Brian Boyd today said the workers would not check tickets between 6am and the start of a rally at 9am.
Unions are expecting more than 100,000 people to attend the rally as part of a national day of protest at Federation Square.

Mr Boyd praised the transport workers "for their help and assistance in getting fellow workers to the important rally".

"We are encouraging people across Melbourne to take advantage of this and to jump on a train or tram, head into the city and make their voice count," he said.

"These (industrial) laws were not debated at the last federal election. Tuesday's rally is a major opportunity to show the government that Australian workers will oppose the extreme new laws."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17210801%255E1702,00.html

[pies4ever]

IR laws pass House
Gerard McManus and Ben Packham
11nov05

JOHN Howard has denied abusing his power after debate over the IR laws was guillotined through the House of Representatives yesterday.

Twenty Labor MPs were denied their chance to speak on the historic changes, but the Prime Minister said it was still the longest debate on any measure of his prime ministership.
Opposition Leader Kim Beazley still managed to hit back at the Government, describing the new laws as like an infestation of termites that would eat away at Australian families over time.

The passage of the new workplace relations laws through the House coincided with a slight rise in jobless figures, with unemployment up to 5.2 per cent.

Treasurer Peter Costello said the fall in job growth was evidence of a moderating economy. "An unemployment rate of 5.2 per cent is still an unemployment rate of around 30-year lows," he said.

"(But) we need structural reform in the Australian economy if we want to be able to take unemployment lower."

But Mr Beazley warned the changes would undermine Australian households.

"It takes months and months and years and years to crumble a house away if nothing is done to expunge the termites," Mr Beazley said.

"It does not happen immediately but, piece of wood by piece of wood, brick by brick, gradually the house falls down and you have nowhere to live."

He accused the Prime Minister of hiding behind a $50 million carpet-bombing of the Australian electorate.

The IR laws have provided Labor with a major fillip and Mr Beazley has produced his best parliamentary performance of the year, according to MPs who have been critical of him in the past.

But a triumphant Mr Howard ridiculed the Labor leader's accusations of extremism and accused the Opposition of exaggerating the dangers of the legislation.

"The sky will not fall in; people will not be murdered at picket lines," Mr Howard said.

"Brother will not be turned against brother.

"In 12 months' time, the people of Australia will wonder what all your hullabaloo was really about."

Mr Howard also defended changes that will allow employers to demand a medical certificate from workers for every sick day they take off.

Doctors say the change could stretch medical services to the limit and cause workers to go to work sick.

Mr Howard said many employers had similar powers now, but they were not often used.

And workers with a good excuse would also be exempt from providing a certificate under the new laws.

"If there are circumstances beyond the control of the employee that make it impossible for him to provide it, well he doesn't have to," he said.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17206966%255E662,00.html

[HAL]

What does happen but piece of wood by piece of wood brick by brick the house falls down and you have to live ?

[Culprit]

[Northern Pie]

[Culprit]

[Northern Pie]

Culprit unless the Labor party upped and threw thier manifesto in the bin socialism will always remain the Labour Parties Ethos.

I agree that some of the IR legislation is probably heading down the wrong track and as Eunos pointed out there are quite a few potholes that the worker has to now negotiate their way through...What has been failed to be mentioned that if you would like a union representative or a delegated individual such as a parent or guardian to be present during the negotiation then they can be, this will mean more work for the union official...no more pork spare rib and beer parties every other day for the union reps, the due that are paid to the union each year will now mean they actually have to stand up for the employee on an individual basis.

I wait for the day that alot of Australians wake up and hold a National Protest day against Unions and the way they have treated the worker in Australia for the last 50 years!

1.) Public Holidays. Even Anzac day and Xmas day need to be negotiated.

It is the public that have demanded that these days no longer be accepted as public holidays by demanding that services be open, why should an employer be penalised because Kath & kim wanna go shopping and buy perfume or clothes....people used to go to the beach or spend time with family, now they want to go shopping.

2.) "Normal" days of work. No longer is Mon-Fri considered normal. You need to negotiate what days are included in your 38 hour week.

Why is this so bad? fantastic that you might be able to sit down with your employer and negaotiate a deal where you can maybe put things into line with a working partner, mine for instance has a rostered day off during the week, how great would it be for me to sit down with my employer and negotiate where every second week I work a saturday/sunday or finish late on a particular day so that I can spend time with my wife on her day off occasionally.

3.) Meal Break. Lunch/Dinner is no longer a right. It must be negotiated.

if you can't negotiate to have Lunch or dinner and the boss refuses the rigt for you to do such and to ust work through then I am sure they would come under some pretty heavy fire.

4.) 38 hour week. The 38 hour week can be "averaged" over 52 weeks. This means you may work 10 days in a row then 4 off, with no penalty rate applying.

Alright not good, but I would like to see if there afe any safeguards at all related to this issue...where is this info taken from the legislation or from a list that the unions or some other party has compiled...I would like to see all the facts!

5.) "Normal" hours. Can now be considered normal any time in the 24 hours of a day, 7 days a week. No penalty rates apply.

Does not apply to shifts from what I understand to have read so far, shift penalties still apply but if you choose to be in an occupation where your day begins at 11pm and finishes 7 am then why should penalty rates apply then? it is your coice to keep those hours.

6.) Sick Pay. Will now require a doctors certificate for any day taken sick. The doctors hate it as they cannot handle the workload. And of course you will have to pay for the certificate.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out, remembering that all these issues can be negotiated as part of your contract, why wold you not try to include something that negates you from having to do that, this of course only holds true if your boss is a total tosser, but i suppose alot of people have bosses that are exactly that, so it could be a good one for the senate to maybe look at..Bring on Barnaby!

7.) Unfair dismissal. Apart from the "less than 100 employees" clause, it now appears that a company can dismiss you without recourse, if they have "operational" reasons. Means no company in Australia will ever face unfair dismissal cases ever again.

There will always be cases for unfair dismissal and there will always be a place for them to be heard. The Unfair dismissal system was so heavily rorted by employees that those people with real complaints for unfair dismissal were hardly being heard anyway. I mean come on there was one case up where the employee claimed he was dismissed unfairly due to race....when it came before the tribunal, it was found he was 1/16th Aboriginal and the reason given for his dismissal was because he was stealing money from the Till (was caught doing it) and had taken stock to the value of around $8000 and guess what....the employer had to pay compensation and reinstate him...so who was treated unfairly in this case?

8.) Fair Pay Tribunal. Replaces the industrial commission to set minimum wage. As the newly appointed head of this tribunal has already stated that "God will guide him" I fear the poor will get poorer. Add to this the fact that the tribunal will take into account "what is best for Australia's international position" and I KNOW the poor will be screwed! Take a look at the 30 days program screening on 10. They tried to live on the minimum wage in the U.S., a wage that has not changed in 8 years. This is what we can expect in our future.

Never make Assumptions you end up making and Ass out of you and Umption.

Cheers

[HAL]

That is a hypothetical assumption.

[3rd degree]

I will be attending for sure!

[HAL]

Would you recommend this action to a friend?

[Culprit]

You’re a Union hater I can see that, you also have taken in your working life everything that the Unions had given you. I am not saying the Unions views are the way to go. I will say it again you need balance. To put a gun in the employers hand is the wrong way to.


2.) "Normal" days of work. No longer is Mon-Fri considered normal. You need to negotiate what days are included in your 38 hour week.

Why is this so bad? fantastic that you might be able to sit down with your employer and negotiate a deal where you can maybe put things into line with a working partner, mine for instance has a rostered day off during the week, how great would it be for me to sit down with my employer and negotiate where every second week I work a Saturday Sunday or finish late on a particular day so that I can spend time with my wife on her day off occasionally.

You love working weekends I don't. Working long hours and weekends cost me my family. I was forced to work those hours as employment was hard back then. I am sure many people want to have their weekends off to spend time with their families after all John Howard boasts how he is all for families don’t him?

Things must be different in Queensland or who your employer is. My contract is drawn, no negotiation and its sign or goodbye. My employer has even stalled our contracts till after the IR laws are passed. Assume what you may, I know what it means.

You talk about locking people up for withdrawing their labour? That is a freedom we have the right to do and it most cases the only thing a worker can do in protest. If we went down that path we would still be fighting in Veitnam.

Get a banner attend the rallies and protest against the Unions, you have plenty of support so there should not be a problem.