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Donny 
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As Boofa's Test average continues to climb, the hole you're digging for yourself just gets deeper and deeper. 
"Now all Martyn needs is to be consistent" ?? For what ? To get a Valentine's Day card from JLC ?
Do you send the very inconsistent Sachin Tendulkar a card ? You seem to think he's pretty good.
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Donny
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Sri Lanka is on 1/156 with Atapattu 68 n.o.
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JLC 
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| MAGFAN8 wrote: | As Boofa's Test average continues to climb, the hole you're digging for yourself just gets deeper and deeper.
"Now all Martyn needs is to be consistent" ?? For what ? To get a Valentine's Day card from JLC ?
Do you send the very inconsistent Sachin Tendulkar a card ? You seem to think he's pretty good. |
Donny donny donny you on one hand are wanting me to rate Lehmann when on the other hand you cannot see the greatness of Tendulkar. Give it a week and you will have Lehmann and Martyn ahead of Tendulkar....lol
Martyn needs to be consistent and score more centuries if he wants to be recognised as a better than average cricketer.
You claim Tendulkar is inconsistent?? I find that hard to believe considering Tendulkar has been consistent for around a decade. An inconsistent player would not have over 9,000 test runs to their name now would they.
Glad you mentioned the word 80 before as that is Tendulkars average against Sri Lanka. Very good guess.
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Donny
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I don't 'claim' anything about Tendulkar except he's over rated.
I simply point out interesting facts like the 69 times he's scored under 20 in 180 innings in Tests. He fails once in every 2.6 innings. Inconsistent.
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Donny
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Now that old bloke has another wicket. Who the hell let him in the team.
Lehmann has 2/31 from 10 overs but we must bear in mind (even though Warney hasn't got a wicket) .......... it's only Sri Lanka.
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Donny
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A very good century to Sri Lanka's next Test captain, Marvan Atapattu.
2/211.
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JLC
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| MAGFAN8 wrote: | I don't 'claim' anything about Tendulkar except he's over rated.
I simply point out interesting facts like the 69 times he's scored under 20 in 180 innings in Tests. He fails once in every 2.6 innings. Inconsistent. |
How does that compare to other test batsman in the world ??
How does he compare century wise to other players in the world ??
Tendulkar has the runs on the board so to speak and only 13 or 14 of them out of 9,000 are against Bangladesh.
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JLC
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Ponting has 45 scores of 20 or under in 123 innings which is around every 2.7 innings. So very similar to Tendulkar.
Does that make Ponting any a lesser of a player in your eyes??
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Donny
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Less of a player than what ?
I don't recall calling Ponting consistent. I'm aware of his shortcomings.
Mate, I don't particularly care if a batsman is consistent or not. There are 7 batsmen in the Aussie team. Whenever we get a big or very big total, there's nearly always one or two who 'fail'.
That's why you have at least 6 batsmen in your team. Most Test teams bat to 8 and one ot two even further.
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JLC
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So which batsman in the world are consistent then using the method you have applied to Tendulkar ??
Or is every batsman in the world inconsistent ??
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Donny
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At stumps, Sri Lanka is 2/239.
Atapattu is 109 n.o. and Jayawardene, 29 n.o.
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India is 6th. in the world amongst the Test nations, JLC, and have been thereabouts for most of Tendulkar's career.
A master batsman would've won more Tests for his country, not just racked up personal glory.
The batsmen I rate - Gilchrist, Lehmann, Ponting, Martyn and Hayden - win Test matches for their country.
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JLC
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Donny you keep changing your criteria.....on one hand you say Tendulkar is inconsistent and plays for himself. I don't think you can hold Tendulkar responsible for India losing. If anything India could have done with one or two more Tendulkars over the years.
Yet the Aussies are just as inconsistent. You rate Lehmann and Martyn that is just too funny.
Cricket is a team game but i dare suggest that McGrath and Warne are the catalysts behind a lot of Australias victories.
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London Dave
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| JLC wrote: | | Yet the Aussies are just as inconsistent. |
The reason you pick six or seven bats is because they are, by nature, inconsistent. If you knew 2 or 3 blokes would make 150 every dig, you'd pick them and 8 or 9 bowlers!
| JLC wrote: | | Cricket is a team game but i dare suggest that McGrath and Warne are the catalysts behind a lot of Australias victories |
Probably as many victories as batsmen such as S. Waugh, Gilchrist, Langer, Hayden, Martyn and even Lehman...the latter 3 catalysts for victry in the 1st test, Martyn and Gilly in the second. Catalyts for victory may be a run out, a catch, or even a dud umpiring decision.
| JLC wrote: | | Donny you keep changing your criteria.....on one hand you say Tendulkar is inconsistent and plays for himself. I don't think you can hold Tendulkar responsible for India losing. If anything India could have done with one or two more Tendulkars over the years. |
If you can't hold him responsible for losing, I'd say he ain't responsible for winning...which I think is part of Donny's point. A Tendulkar 100 doesnt result in a win as often as say, a S. Waugh 100. The win may be due to others performances as well, but the bottom line is statistically, sachin 100's did not occur in as many India wins as say a S. Waugh 100 did for Oz. Donny is just interpreting the numbers. his criteria hasn't changed one bit, I think you may be reading something into his interpretation that isnt there JLC.
Lies, damned lies and statistics. A dropped catch can have a big a bearing on a result as someone making 100.
As you said JLC, it's a team game, 6-7 bats make runs, 4-5 bowlers take wickets, and 11 blokes field and catch. |
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JLC
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The fact is India struggle to bowl teams out twice especially away from home and that is a large reason as to why they cant win. If Tendulkar had McGrath and Warne to complement his run scoring ability then a lot more of his runs may have been in winning teams. It is through no fault of his own that India have not won more games.
I am sure either of you thought no less of Buckley despite in his early days Collingwood not winning games. I dont think that reflected any less on Buckley as a player.
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Blanch 
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Please don't mention Tendulkar and Buckley in the same sentence. As far as consistency goes, Buckley is a model that cannot be compared to. Buckley would have the equivalent batting average of about 150 (and has done for about 10 years) - he fails once per 22 games, and even then it's only by his standards.
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