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fan4collingwood
Joined: 17 May 2002 Location: Seaford Rise , Adelaide SA Australia
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Post subject: Ball hitting the Flags....point or goal????? | |
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Any one know the ruling on this....seems the umps aren't sure, and I definately have no idea. _________________ Kaylene.
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mgh3536
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne
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Suggest the ball has passed through the post...... |
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Ian
Joined: 14 Jun 2001 Location: Nicks BB #104 Adelaide
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In the Bris v Rich game Akermanis kicked one off the ground - ball went through the posts and hit the goal umpires flags on the rear side- looks as though the goal umpire signalled a point-Can anyone correct on this? |
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Bones
Joined: 04 Sep 1999 Location: western victoria
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If it was Akers its a point.....heheheheheheh |
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Chase
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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Post subject: Yeah Thats Exactly What Happened | |
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But I actually felt sorry for Akermanis, in my opinion if it goes over the line, and hits a flag STICKING OUT from the goal post, its a bloody GOAL.
Im sorry but I think overall the umpires have been pretty disappointing of late.
And believe me I am usually the first one to stand up for them. I know they're human and they make mistakes, but lets be honest, I think its time for them to go back to umpiring school and learn the rules all over again. |
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Proud Pies
Joined: 22 Feb 2003 Location: Knox-ish
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They paid the goal, they can't go back on that, however, for the ball to actually hit the flags, it would have already have had to go through the goals as the flags are on the boundary side of the pole and they stick out quite a fair bit.
It was a gaol, pure and simple. _________________ Jacqui © Proud Pies 2003 and beyond |
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ryno
when you live in the west, the eagles are the scum, the filth, and the dregs of the competition
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Location: perth
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I havent seen the goal in question, but i just wanted to add that the goal umpire would have to be absolutely sure that it didnt hit the post, remembering that he doesnt have the advantage of replays, or slo-mo, or expecting it to hit the flag like we all do when we watch it. When something unexpected like that happens you have to be sure.
He has to make a decision right there and then. If he's not absolutely sure, then its a point. also consider this, a player takes a shot from the boundary. he kicks the ball, and it has basically gone through the goal, but as it passes the back of the far post, it slightly skims the back of it because of the spin of the ball. thats a point, even though the whole of the ball was across the line before the post. Maybe I'm way off the mark because I havent even seen it, but that never stopped me mouthing off before. |
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fan4collingwood
Joined: 17 May 2002 Location: Seaford Rise , Adelaide SA Australia
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Strange that there was 2 flag hitting kicks last night.....one in the last quarter of our game...called a goal, and akkers in brissie...called a point. _________________ Kaylene.
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STOKA35
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Mount Barker. South Australia
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if the flag is attached to the goal post it is a point |
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Mike
Joined: 20 Sep 1996 Location: Lilydale, Tas.
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Quote: | 12.1 GOALS AND BEHINDS
12.1.1 Scoring a Goal
Subject to Law 12.2, a Goal is scored when the football is Kicked
completely over the Goal Line by a Player of the attacking Team
without being touched by any other Player, even if the football first
touches the ground.
12.1.2 Scoring a Behind
Subject to Law 12.2, a Behind is scored when any of the following
occurs:-
(a) the football touches or passes over the goal post; or
(b) the football passes completely over the Behind Line; or
(c) a Player of the attacking Team Kicks the football over the Goal
Line but before passing over the Goal Line, the football is
touched by another Player; or
(d) if a Player from the defending Team Kicks, Handballs, knocks
or otherwise takes the football over the Goal Line or Behind
Line; or
(e) if a defending Player Plays On from behind the Goal Line or
Behind Line, and in doing so, moves off the direct line between
himself and the Player standing the mark.
12.1.3 Clarification and Examples
For the avoidance of doubt:-
(a) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official and then
passes over the Goal or Behind Line, a Goal or Behind, as the
case may be, shall still be recorded;
(b) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official and does not pass
over the Goal or Behind Line, the football shall remain in play;
(c) if a football is Kicked by a Player on the attacking Team at the
time when another Player is touching the football, the football
shall be deemed to have been touched by that Player; and
(d) a football passes over a Goal Line or Behind Line only when
the entire football has passed over the Goal Line or Behind
Line, as the case may be.
12.1.4 Football Touching the Behind Post
Where a football touches or passes over a behind post, the football
shall be Out of Bounds or Out of Bounds on the Full.
12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has
been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or
boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be
final. The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind
has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or
"Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5(a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes
that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire
who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body. |
Can't see any mention of flags in there - it's a goal. There is also no mention of attachments in the definition of 'goal post' (3.5).
Last edited by Mike on Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:45 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Dale61
You can't have manslaughter without laughter.
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Location: /home/room/chair
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Strangely enough, this has just been discussed on MMM Footy.
A goal umpire, who remained anonymous, agreed that Akers kick was deemed a point coz it hit the post, which the flag is a part of.
My opinion is that if it must be deemed a goal if the whole ball crosses the line, just like whan it's called out of bounds. For the ball to hit the BACK of the post, as opposed to grazing the side, it must be deemed a goal as the whole ball would have had to cross the line so as to hit the back of the post.
Therefore, the ball is deemed to be out of play once it crosses the goal line, whatever happens next is irrelevant.
In light of the two instances last night, here's a hypothetical; A strong gale is blowing in from directly behind the goals, a player is taking a shot from an angle. He kicks the ball through the goals but the wind picks it up and bends it around the post and back into play. What's the decision? (I've heard of this happening at the Williamstown ground many years ago.) _________________ Whale
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Mike
Joined: 20 Sep 1996 Location: Lilydale, Tas.
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It's the same as if the ball crossed the boundary line and then bounced back in, or if a player briefly runs a ball out of bounds, it's still out of bounds and out of play. |
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Just wait, the AFL during this week will come out with a new rule to be added telling us that if it hits the "flags" it will be deemed a point, it's a bit late to be coming up with it. But whoever said the AFL was ahead of the times? I am expecting this to happen, weather it does, or not, is another story.
I am curios, if the AFL doesn't add rules like these, how do they expect the umpires to be able to do their job? I know, this may never of happened, but you should always plan for the unexpected. What if it hits the umpire, while he is leaning on the post? Goal? Point? According to the ruling, it will be a point. I know the umpires get alot of things wrong, but someone needs to tell them what the rules are, so then they can't get it right, oops, don't I mean CAN? _________________ Ðavâgé
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MissMagpie_20
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Joined: 02 Oct 2002 Location: Ballarat
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How can anyone possibly feel sorry for that piece of shit, Akermanis. _________________ Those with the most invested are the last to surrender!
So when i'm lying in my bed, thoughts running through my head and i feel that love is dead...
IM LOVING BUCKLEY INSTEAD! |
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stik35
Joined: 22 May 2001 Location: VIC
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I saw it on TV - Akermanis celebrating what he thought was a goal only to have the umpire call it a point.
I pissed myself laughing - it couldn't happen to a better player.
It's happened to us often enough. _________________ If you bleed black and white you'll never walk alone. |
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