Football Cheats !

DaicosMagic · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 3:20 pm

I will reiterate something I mentioned recently upon watching the Sydney game.

Why doesn't our team have any 'cheats'?

By this, I mean players who run ahead of the ball to receive past the line of the contest, particularly at stoppages.

Watch Brisbane, Adelaide, West Coast on Saturday, Sydney 2 weeks ago, Hawthorn when they beat us last year. They have players stream ahead of the play for easy goals. Yes, it pays to be defensive, but why not be offensive every now and then?

Brisbane always have 2 or 3 men on their own ahead of play from stoppages when a kick or handball is shot out of a pack (Voss knows this, that is why he just thumps the ball forward). Watch Ricciuto get easy possessions ahead of play. Paul Williams' first three possessions 2 weeks ago were from doing the same thing. All result in easy goals with little or no pressure.

I'm all for Mick Malthouse and his 'Accountable' football, but what's wrong with giving our players a licence to 'cheat' and put scoreboard pressure on opposition teams, particularly in the centre square where it is quite congested. Our players are always too close to eachother or jumping on packs in the middle. If they knew players would be ahead of the contest, they would have the confidence to kick a mongrel out of the pack.

What we lack is free-running goals. We used to be one of the most exciting teams to watch on the run. We have the players - Woewodin, Buckley, Lonie, Burns, Didak, etc. - to kick on the run, so why do we never have any space for these players to do so? Their goalkicking talents seem wasted.

C'mon boys, CHEAT!!!

hotpies · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Location: Hobart

i don't think that's cheating daicos magic, it's just a gameplay they might use if they the team is losing by a few dozen points, or lack of general overhead marking.

grims · Joined: 13 Mar 2003

he did say 'cheat' and then he explained what he meant by 'cheat'.

hotpies · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Location: Hobart

i reckon the style of that daicos magic is good, and i think mm should go back to that mabee a few times in the season, especially when were down by a few goals, or at the start of each quater, (especially the first)

TaZ_LuVs_EmIn3m · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:13 pm

we r a fair team and we dont need cheats to win a game.....

zoia · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:26 pm

thats rite does anyone know wats happenin with brisbane with having the extra man on the field spose they get off on that too

TaZ_LuVs_EmIn3m · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:36 pm

of course they would they r brisbane!!

TaZ_LuVs_EmIn3m · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:36 pm

i would rather we win from ebing fair than from cheating!

zoia · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:47 pm

knowing our luck if we cheated we would get busted b4 we even did it lol

DaicosMagic · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 12:14 am

Either many of you missed my point, or just didn't read the post.

Let me explain it a little more clearly. I have been playing football for many years now, and within football, one will often refer to a player as a 'cheat'. These players are the ones who get easy kicks (you may also call them receivers) particularly ahead of the ball.

There is no official 'cheating' or breaking of the rules, just a soft option of 'hoping' to win the ball without 'getting hurt'.

gobbles21 · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 12:35 am

As Malthouse says:

Dr Alf Andrews · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:40 am

bokka · Joined: 11 Apr 1999 Location: NY, Ex Land of Brave and Free

I absolutely agree Dmagic, have noticed that on and off for years. I think it should be an integral part of the gameplan rather than used every so often as someone suggested. YOu shouldln't have used the word "cheat" as they took it too literally of course - but also it's not cheating although I see how it could be if some players habitually do it off their own bat all the time to get easy kicks - esp in lower grade footy (coulnd't see players gettign away with that in the AFL these days).

Also it doesn't have a huge amount to do with ruck dominance either since as you say it's more to do with the feed out of the pack or passing into forward space than tapouts. I guess it helps with these things if you've actually played a few games. I was thinking for a while that maybe MM was groooming woey for this role but maybe not.
I've seen Burns do it sometimes but that was more creating the play and *then* running forward of the pack to receive - possibly making too hard work of it than necessary.

Lockyer24 · Joined: 24 Jun 2001 Location: Melbourne

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gobbles21 · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 10:36 am

The ball can't be fed out of a pack well, if the opposition has first hands on the footy. We are starting with a disadvantage. Around general play it is a 50-50 contest, but at ruck contests we are staring at about a 40-60. We cannot feed the ball out of a pack well if we don't have 1st oppotunity to use it.