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couragous cloke 
Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Location: melbourne, victoria, australia
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im not gunna say cam cloke will be the savour to all our problems in the ruck this year but atleast give him a go, see what his like.
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Lone Ranger
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: Macedon Ranges
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| chalky wrote: | Drew, are you ging to blame the rucks if we lose this one - throw tap out stats at us to prove it.
A ruckman is only as good as his midfield. Ask King, Primus, White, Darcy. All top quality tap rucks with shit midfield.
Gardner had a great 15 mins, then Josh took him to the cleaners, even Healy "on the couch" thought it ludicrous that some scribes had Gardner BOG. This ruck stuff is becoming tedious. We did not lose because of the ruck stats, we lost because we did not make the most of opportunities during the entire game. across the whole ground, across the whole side. |
This is what is known as "hitting the nail on the head". Dead right Chalky |
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Daniel 
Joined: 22 Apr 2003
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| I hope u're not right pepstar.... I'd hate to think what Reiwoldt would do to us, considering what his last starting opponent did. |
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r_betheras_10 
Joined: 21 May 2003
Location: victoria
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| I was there and it was great. McGough played great, a couple of little stuff ups, but otherwise he played great!!! Scotland and Richo also played good! Well done STINKY! |
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drew1602 
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Northcote Victoria
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| Lone Ranger 37 wrote: | | chalky wrote: | Drew, are you ging to blame the rucks if we lose this one - throw tap out stats at us to prove it.
A ruckman is only as good as his midfield. Ask King, Primus, White, Darcy. All top quality tap rucks with shit midfield.
Gardner had a great 15 mins, then Josh took him to the cleaners, even Healy "on the couch" thought it ludicrous that some scribes had Gardner BOG. This ruck stuff is becoming tedious. We did not lose because of the ruck stats, we lost because we did not make the most of opportunities during the entire game. across the whole ground, across the whole side. |
This is what is known as "hitting the nail on the head". Dead right Chalky |
The two of you must not read my posts very often  ....I am a huge fan of Mckee.....and have never blamed him for a loss..but oftern give him credit for a win....the point of my post was simple...we have the future capabilites ( in Cam Cloke) to have a very formadable ruck division to supply our formadbale midfield.... Once we have Cam up and running (this year or next year) our side will be able to adjust to the oppositions midfield set up with out a problem...and turn our percieved weakness into a great strength.... 
And to Chalkey .... well done on picking teh one correct thing G healy has said in a very long time..... 
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chalky
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: victoria
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drew, certainly not having a go. I just think the push for C Cloke might be a bit premature. And in so doing, set him up for failure not success, painting a target on his back for all the backstabbers not satisfied, nor convinced of, ruck potential.
I've only seen Cloke twice, played OK each time. But whether he can butt heads with senior bodies the likes of King, White etc is questionable IMO. You advocate "at least try him, what have we got to lose?" seems a positive, pro active call.
But if he fails, by any number of measures thrown at ruckmen these days, the ramifications could put his progress back |
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drew1602
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Northcote Victoria
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Chalky...this week is a perfect op to try Cam...no real big bodies in the ruck to worry to much about and even if he was to meet up with the likes of Hamil on Sat night it cant hurt him too much...remember Gardner at The Western oval 4 or so years ago with Danny Southern and Co giving him areal baptism of fire..and look at him now........
If we try him and he doesnt come up to the mark...Oh well ......we will at least know that next year will be his time....
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Dale61
You can't have manslaughter without laughter.
Joined: 17 Apr 2002
Location: /home/room/chair
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The local paper here in Williamstown stated that McG had 19 of his 45 possessions in the last quarter alone.
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Pies Premiers 2003
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Joined: 01 Nov 2002
Location: vic
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Looks like he needed 50 to be picked
lift your game mcg 
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paulie
Joined: 26 Feb 2002
Location: victoria
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| why can't we pick the hard at it player over the touch player in Williams with our chance to finish in the top four resting on this game surely this was the week to play MCG over Randy!!!!! |
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chalky
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: victoria
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Drew, point taken. No problem with your reasoning. Well thought out
cheers |
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Lone Ranger
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: Macedon Ranges
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| Sorry drew162, I wasnt having a go. I was simply agreeing with Chalkys analysis on why we lost. |
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