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stui magpie 
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Measured and good response.
Thanks for that, far better than rock throwing at 5 paces.
Unfortunately it's not just social media, traditional media is in on the act with views and opinions becoming more extreme on either side.
The Northern Hemisphere is where the truth of climate change impacts will come from. Their weather is traditionally far more predictable and that is where glacial periods start and finish, not here.
In the mean time, we need to get a better plan to deal with bush fires because this country was designed for them over 50,000 years plus. They're going to happen. Global warming will make them worse.
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watt price tully 
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"Michael McCormack's tough words only confirmed his weakness"
...."Although these bushfires are not directly attributable to climate change, our rapidly warming climate, driven by human activities, is exacerbating every risk factor for more frequent and intense bushfires," wrote Dale Dominey-Howes, the Professor of Hazards and Disaster Risk Sciences at the University of Sydney, in September...."
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"....Political leaders who cannot acknowledge the problem simply advertise the fact that they are not up to dealing with it....".
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/michael-mccormack-s-tough-words-only-confirmed-his-weakness-20191111-p539iq.html
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The deputy PM is an embarrassment & ineffectual; at times he makes the beetrooter appear sane.
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Made me laugh:
"I predict the bastards (short for Morrison and his Muppets) will threaten the BOM (Bureau of Meteorology) with continuous funding and "Vertical Redundancies" unless they tow the line and stop all this silly talk about climate change and this "bush fire" thingy!
From comments in the Guardian today 12/11/2019
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watt price tully
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David 
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I'm honestly finding some of the point-scoring happening on social media at the moment over the fires kind of ugly. It's not that I agree with those who think we should be putting politics to one side right now – I think it's absolutely legitimate to discuss climate change and failed policy regarding it, and there's never a bad time for that – more that there seems a barely restrained glee in all the "I told you so"s coming from the left and the finger-pointing at environmentalists and Greens voters from the right, and it doesn't really seem particularly constructive.
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | | I'm honestly finding some of the point-scoring happening on social media at the moment over the fires kind of ugly. It's not that I agree with those who think we should be putting politics to one side right now – I think it's absolutely legitimate to discuss climate change and failed policy regarding it, and there's never a bad time for that – more that there seems a barely restrained glee in all the "I told you so"s coming from the left and the finger-pointing at environmentalists and Greens voters from the right, and it doesn't really seem particularly constructive. |
I don't do social media as such: no twitter, no facebook, no instagram, no whatever.
I do have email and .... Nicks!!
Although I'm avoiding housework currently  Having said that, isn't that what social media is for, avoidance of some sort?
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Pies4shaw 
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David, it’s not meant to be constructive. It’s just point-scoring.
That said, I think there’s a qualitative distinction to be drawn between saying (from either side of the House) that “your policies are responsible for this” and saying “the dead people must have been greenies”. The former is a potential basis for political debate (unedifying and all as it may be), the latter is just disrespectful of the dead (and tends to imply that it’s their fault they died in the fires). |
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David
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Not quite sure that was what Joyce intended – though, as if often the case with him, who knows what exactly was happening in his brain that made him think it was a useful or necessary thing to say.
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Pies4shaw
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| I don’t care what he “intended”. It’s the semantic consequence of what he said. It’s most regrettable. |
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Wokko 
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| I'm as far from a Greens voter as you can get and it's nothing but a c*** act to say that. He should immediately resign. |
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| Wokko wrote: | | I'm as far from a Greens voter as you can get and it's nothing but a c*** act to say that. He should immediately resign. |
Whaddyou talkin' about?
The beetrooter is man who stands up for family values, he values families
....and taxpayer subsidies
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| David wrote: | | I'm honestly finding some of the point-scoring happening on social media at the moment over the fires kind of ugly. It's not that I agree with those who think we should be putting politics to one side right now – I think it's absolutely legitimate to discuss climate change and failed policy regarding it, and there's never a bad time for that – more that there seems a barely restrained glee in all the "I told you so"s coming from the left and the finger-pointing at environmentalists and Greens voters from the right, and it doesn't really seem particularly constructive. |
I completely agree, it's basically not possible to have a ciivil debate about climate change, or several other things.
As P4S said, it is points scoring from both sides, it isn't meant to be constructive, it's just nasty sniping.
On the bush fires for a moment, despite the damage and loss of life it may well be a blessing in disguise that it happened now rather than in the middle of January during an extended hot spell. It was clearly ready to burn, it was just a matter of when.
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think positive
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True,
And the prick should be sacked! How disgusting
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David
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I suspect he’s been misinterpreted. Obviously it was a clumsy and stupid thing to say, but I think his clarification makes sense:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/joyce-suggests-two-people-who-died-in-nsw-fires-most-likely-voted-for-the-greens-20191112-p539v1.html
| Quote: | [Joyce] told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age his criticism was directed at people - including those in his own party - who were trying to pin the blame on "greenies" or Greens voters.
"You cannot accuse people based on the party they’re in," he said. "It’s not the bloody Greens' fault. They’re the ones at Wytaliba who all got wiped out.
"The people who vote for a certain party [the Greens] are getting just as hurt and probably more so than other people."
Mr Joyce, who was fighting fire near his family's property on Tuesday, said he wanted to "punch the f--king lights out" of those people who had misinterpreted his remarks. |
Tensions and emotions are running pretty high right now, understandably, and given that, someone as gaffe-prone as Joyce probably should be keeping his mouth shut at all costs. But otherwise, I do think it’s good practice to give people the benefit of the doubt and not automatically assume the worst about their motivations.
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