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Tannin 
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Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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| GoWoodsmen wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | warburton lad wrote: | Out: Blair
In: Adams.
No other changes that I can see.
Please, please, please keep Witts and Josh Thomas in.
Ditto Langdon and Frost.
And keep playing Fasolo back. A guy in the back half that can hit a target with consistency.
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Agreed on all points. Fasolo's defensive skills are weak and he leaks goals in a way that more experienced and more natural defenders such as Toovey, Langdon, Maxwell, Frost, Lumumba and even Young don't, but his disposal by foot largely makes up for that, and I think he can improve, little by little. Kickouts now, with the alternating combo of Fasolo and Young, are opportunities for us to attack and score. Compare with the dreadful record of botched kickouts and turnovers and relentless opposition pressure with the pill never crossing the centreline we had for the last few years with Shaw and Maxwell taking it.
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Really? We must have been watching a different game Tannin. He spoiled Revolting on at least two occasions when he didn't even have the best position in the contest. He's pushed back into contests. Yes he's made some massive cock-ups but to say he doesn't have defensive skills.... I just don't see it. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He tackles, he pressures, he seems to be running to the right spots. It's when he's got the ball and he's under pressure when there is an issue - that by definition is not defending.
I'm very confident he'll be a lock in the defensive half for some time. Even better he will fix those decision making lapses but overall he's doing just fine. |
Actually, we mostly agree. By "defensive skills" in this context, GW, I meant "the skills of a defender" or "one-on-one shutdown skills" rather than what we mean when we say "defensive skills" of a forward or a midfielder. Several times I noticed Fasolo getting beaten in one-on-ones where a Toovey or a Maxwell would have at least halved the contest, and he seemed a bit unsure of what to do and where to rn now and again. He looked, in other words, like a forward playing out of position in the backline. But he is obviously learning fast and as he gains experience in his new role, he will learn the structures better and learn the backman's tricks. We don't expect him to develop the skills overnight that Toovey and Maxwell spent years mastering!
I agree with you that he's doing well - better than I expected for sure - but I'm not convinced that he is a certainty to stay in our best just yet. He needs to keep improving (no complaints about his progress so far - I am on record as a Fasolo skeptic but he's gone a long way towards persuading me - and he is also vulnerable to selection pressure from younger and returning players with good credentials, such as Scharenberg, Reid, and Williams, but he is fast making it very hard to leave him out. His delivery by foot had a lot to do with our success this week, and I'd ve very reluctant to replace him with anyone not having an equal ability.
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MagpieBat
Joined: 27 Nov 2010
Location: Brooding in a cave... somewhere... maybe...
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| Breadcrawl wrote: | Blair was crap.
When he kicked his goal in the third quarter I realised it was the first time I'd noticed him get the ball. Think he had five possessions to that point.
It isn't good enough and one goal doesn't make up for it.
Methinks Jarryd's days are numbered |
Good to see someone else notices this. Alas, he has the patronage of the coach, so he's not getting dropped. But we are not going forward if we are playing guys like Blair and Goldsack in the seniors.
That being said, I'm reticent to play 3 specialist inside midfielders, with Adams now available. The one I'd like to get back in is Kennedy, but he didn't have the best of games, so I'm not sure he'll be considered.
So, with all that in mind, the most I'd make is 1 change:
IN: Adams
OUT: Thomas
If Maxy does get suspended by the clowns at Chook Lotto (sorry, the MRP) then Brown, should his shoulder be right, comes in. |
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Brown26
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Yeah I'd put McCaffer on Wells - traditionally doesn't do well with a tag but can be their match winner. Ball to go head to head with Dal Santo. The other one we have to stop is Harvey, but I think he'll play a lot up forward so maybe Fas if we want to run with him in the middle, or Toovey when he's forward and let Fas do some more offensive stuff.
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MOTR
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Langdon looks like he needs a spell in the VFL and Maxwell might be unavailable. I wouldn't be surprised to see Armstrong get a run next week.
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slydog81
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Geez Fasolo looks alot better than Sinkers atm.
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | Show how little we tried in the NAB Challenge game in Wangratta |
Shows how stupid it is to predict REAL games based on practice game results......as some of us said at the time and predicted we would beat Richmond when it counted  |
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MJ23
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Sydney
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| MagpieBat wrote: | | Breadcrawl wrote: | Blair was crap.
When he kicked his goal in the third quarter I realised it was the first time I'd noticed him get the ball. Think he had five possessions to that point.
It isn't good enough and one goal doesn't make up for it.
Methinks Jarryd's days are numbered |
Good to see someone else notices this. Alas, he has the patronage of the coach, so he's not getting dropped. But we are not going forward if we are playing guys like Blair and Goldsack in the seniors.
That being said, I'm reticent to play 3 specialist inside midfielders, with Adams now available. The one I'd like to get back in is Kennedy, but he didn't have the best of games, so I'm not sure he'll be considered.
So, with all that in mind, the most I'd make is 1 change:
IN: Adams
OUT: Thomas
If Maxy does get suspended by the clowns at Chook Lotto (sorry, the MRP) then Brown, should his shoulder be right, comes in. |
cant say he got the ball a lot however Blair did have 11 tackles - most of any player on the ground.
Without knowing his specific role he may have done exactly what was asked of him or he might have not done enough.
To me he looked like he was running hard all night. Question is who would provide what he did better - Adams ? Kennedy ?
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Tannin
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| MOTR wrote: | | Langdon looks like he needs a spell in the VFL and Maxwell might be unavailable. I wouldn't be surprised to see Armstrong get a run next week. |
Unlike most here, I liked what I saw of Armstrong during the pre-season. And like you, I'm thinking Langdon might be due for a few games in the ressies after a great start. Then there is Dwyer, who is fit again now IIRC.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| slydog81 wrote: | | Geez Fasolo looks alot better than Sinkers atm. |
Different perhaps, can't see how you come to the conclusion he's better. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| MJ23 wrote: | | MagpieBat wrote: | | Breadcrawl wrote: | Blair was crap.
When he kicked his goal in the third quarter I realised it was the first time I'd noticed him get the ball. Think he had five possessions to that point.
It isn't good enough and one goal doesn't make up for it.
Methinks Jarryd's days are numbered |
Good to see someone else notices this. Alas, he has the patronage of the coach, so he's not getting dropped. But we are not going forward if we are playing guys like Blair and Goldsack in the seniors.
That being said, I'm reticent to play 3 specialist inside midfielders, with Adams now available. The one I'd like to get back in is Kennedy, but he didn't have the best of games, so I'm not sure he'll be considered.
So, with all that in mind, the most I'd make is 1 change:
IN: Adams
OUT: Thomas
If Maxy does get suspended by the clowns at Chook Lotto (sorry, the MRP) then Brown, should his shoulder be right, comes in. |
cant say he got the ball a lot however Blair did have 11 tackles - most of any player on the ground.
Without knowing his specific role he may have done exactly what was asked of him or he might have not done enough.
To me he looked like he was running hard all night. Question is who would provide what he did better - Adams ? Kennedy ? |
Can't see either taking Blair's spot until they can demonstrate they will offset what you lose consistently at VFL level. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| Tannin wrote: | | MOTR wrote: | | Langdon looks like he needs a spell in the VFL and Maxwell might be unavailable. I wouldn't be surprised to see Armstrong get a run next week. |
Unlike most here, I liked what I saw of Armstrong during the pre-season. And like you, I'm thinking Langdon might be due for a few games in the ressies after a great start. Then there is Dwyer, who is fit again now IIRC. |
North went into the Swans game with 4 small forwards unless I'm mistaken so can't see Langdon being dropped as he offers flexibility. Ramsay was apparently the pick of the small defenders in the VFL so if Langdon does get demoted, he'd be the obvious replacement. |
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david975
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
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Agree with MB
Also MJ .. according to the AFL stats, Blair had 5 tackles...it was Macaffer with 11
Stats show Blair had 85% game time for 11 disposals. Thomas came in late 3rd qtr?..and had 31% game time for 8 disposals although at less disposal efficiency. Stats aren't everything but I think Blair needs to find the ball more over and above his tackling role.
Like others, I'd like to see Kennedy given a go although he didn't do himself any favours with a quiet showing on the weekend. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Given the poor form of our VFL team on the weekend, I doubt there's anyone there knocking down the door for a promotion to the seniors.
No changes. |
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slydog81
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| RudeBoy wrote: | Given the poor form of our VFL team on the weekend, I doubt there's anyone there knocking down the door for a promotion to the seniors.
No changes. |
Dwyer and Adams are available though
J thomas has earnt another go ahead of Adams.
Blair and Dwyer is tough but on form possibly Dwyer just ahead.
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mackasmatt
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Need to be smarter with our ball use towards Cloke. He's going to have a very tough time with Scott Thompson. Hopefully White/Elliott will continue their good form.
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