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3.14159 
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| stui magpie wrote: | It's a circus.
Trump will be impeached in the house of reps and found not guilt in the senate.
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I admire your confidence, but...
Would Rocky Balboa throw in the towel in before the first bell has rung?
Would John Rambo run at the first sight of blood?
Would Charles Bronson have given up trying to fix cars just because some-one borrowed his 3/8 ring spanner and didn't return it?
Nerily Nay Nada I say!
Cry Havoc and let slip the hounds of the Baskervilles!
... if that peach turns pear shaped will you take a cheque? |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I accept cheques, cash and bank deposits, I'm not great on Paypal and I don't do Western Union.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko 
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| What if Pelosi shuts down the impeachment before the House votes on it? Who wins then? |
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stui magpie
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| Wokko wrote: | | What if Pelosi shuts down the impeachment before the House votes on it? Who wins then? |
That's actually tricky.
The bet was :
| 3.14159 wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | My prediction.
The Democrats will pass impeachment stuff in the house of reps, the republican senate will block it.
Trump will win a 2nd term as POTUS in a close call that will have every left winger and Democrat spinning in angst for another 4 years.
In 2024, Trump's daughter runs and wins, hospital emergency rooms report a new phenomena of spontaneously exploding heads, investigations show it's confined to democrat voters |
Would you like a friendly wager on that?
$100 says the only prediction you got right was the House voting to impeach. |
So if I get that prediction wrong because the house doesn't vote to impeach, do I win by default?
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David 
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| Wokko wrote: | | What if Pelosi shuts down the impeachment before the House votes on it? Who wins then? |
Everyone.
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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Adam Schiff is wasting the nation’s time with impeachment hearings
In their first day of public impeachment hearings, Democrats made clear just how weak their case is.
In beyond-dull testimony, the Dems’ first witnesses, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent and US Chargé d’Affaires in Ukraine Bill Taylor, noted their displeasure with the fact that there were “two channels” (a “regular” and an “irregular” one) to Ukraine, and at some point the goals of the two diverged.
Taylor and Kent complained that President Trump conditioned US aid on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announcing that his country would investigate corruption, specifically: Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election and payoffs to then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter.
That was a policy they disliked, because they feared it would weaken Ukrainian-American ties and Kiev’s ability to defend itself from Russia.
Sorry, but it’s not their place to second-guess Trump or his policies. The president sets foreign policy, not they; if he thought it was important for Ukraine to help uncover evidence of corruption, that’s his call.
https://nypost.com/2019/11/13/adam-schiff-is-wasting-the-nations-time-with-impeachment-hearings/
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David
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^ The best argument as to why the presidency should be abolished. Governments have checks and balances for a reason; the idea that some God-king should be able to ride in over the top and do whatever the hell he wants is, obviously, dysfunctional. Maybe it took Trump to make those problems apparent, but the flaws have been embedded in the system since day one.
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Wokko
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The President has a lot less power than you seem to think. He and his team ARE one of the checks and balances. You only have to look at activist courts and insane politics to see that having someone at the top whose main job is to say "No" to things rather than set policy is a good thing.
There is of course an issue with 'executive orders' and overreach but the other branches of Government, the judicial in particular have their own issues with overreach; hence the checks and balances.
As for the hearing...
https://babylonbee.com/news/you-dont-need-to-look-into-the-bidens-corruption-insists-rep-schiff-while-attempting-jedi-mind-trick |
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David
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I just don't see the point. Sure, it's good to have a governor-general like figure to step in if the government acts unconstitutionally (and I don't necessarily have a problem with a mostly ceremonial president, as happens in many countries – indeed, that would probably be my favoured model if we were to become a republic). But surely bicameral parliaments already fulfil most of that function, and the US already has such a system in place.
And speaking of "activist judges", what could be worse than the current process, in which supreme court justices are handpicked by the president for purely political reasons (and, presumably, not being an activist conservative or liberal judge more or less kills your chance of ever getting on the bench, given that any president who picks a "centrist" is effectively scoring an own goal in the culture wars)? I'm not saying removing the presidency would necessarily fix that, but it would definitely provide opportunity for systemic reform. And it would make politics far more democratic and far less centred around the cult of the individual.
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thesoretoothsayer
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+1
The President is an anachronism from when the nascent U.S. decided to replace a foreign King with a local, "democratic" King. It should become a ceremonial role.
Also, the Senate should be abolished (here and over there).
Supreme power should rest with the people's tribunes.
As for politically appointing the judiciary - what a disaster. |
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3.14159
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| Skids wrote: | Sorry, but it’s not their place to second-guess Trump or his policies. The president sets foreign policy, not they; if he thought it was important for Ukraine to help uncover evidence of corruption, that’s his call.
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Sorry but that is just plain wrong.
Congress approved the delivery of Javelin missiles and if the President wants to hold them up he (under the Laws in the US Constitution) has to ask for Congres to agree to the delay and explain to them why such a delay would be in AMERICA's best interests! Congress then would vote on it. He did neither of things, probably because he knew what he was doing was illegal!
The POTUS is NOT a KING and if he is INCAPABLE of getting things done with-in the proper legal-framework he should step down!!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/delay-in-military-aid-for-ukraine-stymied-lawmakers-for-weeks-11569252417
Heres a thought though, if Dumpf was convinced that there was corruption in Ukraine why did he not ask the CIA, the FBI, the NSA or a plethora of other US agencies to do the investigating?
Probably because they would have told him they don't re-investigate every hair-brained Conspiracy Theory that lands on the Presidents deck! |
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thesoretoothsayer
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I'm sure you're as pure as the day is long but when a see a url like this I'm a bit tentative to click on it. It looks dodgy as. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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Just think Ben Garrison but for the #Resistance left.
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3.14159
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: |
I'm sure you're as pure as the day is long but when a see a url like this I'm a bit tentative to click on it. It looks dodgy as. |
I couldn't get the latest David Rowe cartoon in the Financial Review down to the required 50KB limit for images.
here's a direct link...
https://www.facebook.com/david.rowe.5070
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