Ball hitting the Flags....point or goal?????

fan4collingwood · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:29 pm

Any one know the ruling on this....seems the umps aren't sure, and I definately have no idea.

mgh3536 · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne

Suggest the ball has passed through the post......

Ian · Joined: 14 Jun 2001 Location: Nicks BB #104 Adelaide

In the Bris v Rich game Akermanis kicked one off the ground - ball went through the posts and hit the goal umpires flags on the rear side- looks as though the goal umpire signalled a point-Can anyone correct on this?

Bones · Joined: 04 Sep 1999 Location: western victoria

If it was Akers its a point.....heheheheheheh

Chase · Joined: 20 Jun 2003

But I actually felt sorry for Akermanis, in my opinion if it goes over the line, and hits a flag STICKING OUT from the goal post, its a bloody GOAL.

Im sorry but I think overall the umpires have been pretty disappointing of late.

And believe me I am usually the first one to stand up for them. I know they're human and they make mistakes, but lets be honest, I think its time for them to go back to umpiring school and learn the rules all over again.

Proud Pies · Joined: 22 Feb 2003 Location: Knox-ish

They paid the goal, they can't go back on that, however, for the ball to actually hit the flags, it would have already have had to go through the goals as the flags are on the boundary side of the pole and they stick out quite a fair bit.

It was a gaol, pure and simple.

ryno · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:37 am

I havent seen the goal in question, but i just wanted to add that the goal umpire would have to be absolutely sure that it didnt hit the post, remembering that he doesnt have the advantage of replays, or slo-mo, or expecting it to hit the flag like we all do when we watch it. When something unexpected like that happens you have to be sure.
He has to make a decision right there and then. If he's not absolutely sure, then its a point. also consider this, a player takes a shot from the boundary. he kicks the ball, and it has basically gone through the goal, but as it passes the back of the far post, it slightly skims the back of it because of the spin of the ball. thats a point, even though the whole of the ball was across the line before the post. Maybe I'm way off the mark because I havent even seen it, but that never stopped me mouthing off before.

fan4collingwood · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:54 am

Strange that there was 2 flag hitting kicks last night.....one in the last quarter of our game...called a goal, and akkers in brissie...called a point.

STOKA35 · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Mount Barker. South Australia

if the flag is attached to the goal post it is a point

Mike · Joined: 20 Sep 1996 Location: Lilydale, Tas.

Dale61 · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:21 pm

Strangely enough, this has just been discussed on MMM Footy.

A goal umpire, who remained anonymous, agreed that Akers kick was deemed a point coz it hit the post, which the flag is a part of.

My opinion is that if it must be deemed a goal if the whole ball crosses the line, just like whan it's called out of bounds. For the ball to hit the BACK of the post, as opposed to grazing the side, it must be deemed a goal as the whole ball would have had to cross the line so as to hit the back of the post.

Therefore, the ball is deemed to be out of play once it crosses the goal line, whatever happens next is irrelevant.

In light of the two instances last night, here's a hypothetical; A strong gale is blowing in from directly behind the goals, a player is taking a shot from an angle. He kicks the ball through the goals but the wind picks it up and bends it around the post and back into play. What's the decision? (I've heard of this happening at the Williamstown ground many years ago.)

Mike · Joined: 20 Sep 1996 Location: Lilydale, Tas.

It's the same as if the ball crossed the boundary line and then bounced back in, or if a player briefly runs a ball out of bounds, it's still out of bounds and out of play.

The Prototype · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:47 pm

Just wait, the AFL during this week will come out with a new rule to be added telling us that if it hits the "flags" it will be deemed a point, it's a bit late to be coming up with it. But whoever said the AFL was ahead of the times? I am expecting this to happen, weather it does, or not, is another story.

I am curios, if the AFL doesn't add rules like these, how do they expect the umpires to be able to do their job? I know, this may never of happened, but you should always plan for the unexpected. What if it hits the umpire, while he is leaning on the post? Goal? Point? According to the ruling, it will be a point. I know the umpires get alot of things wrong, but someone needs to tell them what the rules are, so then they can't get it right, oops, don't I mean CAN?

MissMagpie_20 · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:24 pm

How can anyone possibly feel sorry for that piece of shit, Akermanis.

stik35 · Joined: 22 May 2001 Location: VIC

I saw it on TV - Akermanis celebrating what he thought was a goal only to have the umpire call it a point.

I pissed myself laughing - it couldn't happen to a better player.

It's happened to us often enough.