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Should you repair a torn ACL? That's a surprisingly tricky question
https://www.smh.com.au/national/should-you-repair-a-torn-acl-that-s-a-surprisingly-tricky-question-20191019-p53282.html
" "I said ‘look mate, that’s not an option. I can’t take 12 months off. I am out of contract, my career would be done. What are the odds of recovery without surgery?’
"He said ‘about 20 to 30 per cent’.
"Five per cent I would have thought twice, but 20 to 30 per cent – I loved those odds."
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After two and half months, Djulbic was running straight lines. Soon after that he was changing direction. In three months he was back into full training with his teammates.
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Other scientists say there is no strong evidence ACL surgery works any better than not doing surgery. Many people do fine without an ACL and don’t need surgery at all, they say.
"It’s very brave to tackle this topic," says Professor Evangelos Pappas, a top ACL researcher and head of the University of Sydney’s physiotherapy school. "It’s very controversial."
"The outcomes after ACL surgery has rightfully been questioned, because when we follow the outcomes of these athletes after surgery are not very good."
Studies show almost a quarter of athletes – and a third of AFL footballers – who receive ACL reconstruction surgery will reinjure their ACL. Less than half of patients will return to competitive sport.
And there are many stories of people seemingly able to cope without an ACL, some even returning to top-level sport. Penrith Panthers halfback Peter Wallace played two seasons without an ACL; NBA basketballer DeJuan Blair played over 450 games without ACLs in either knee.
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Kieran Richardson is a Perth-based physio who specialises in ACL rehab.
“I’ve had semi-professionals, basketball players return. It is absolutely achievable,” he says.
“But you have to trust the rehab. There are studies that show patients who have lots of fear, they have worse outcomes.”" |
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burnsy17 
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Melbourne Victory are pinging hammies and quads left right and centre... don’t they train at our ground as well??
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| It looks like they train on Gosch's Paddock... |
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Presti35
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It must be planet Earth as a whole.
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Soon-to-be delisted free agent Paddy McCartin:
'"I've sort of lost my footy identity a little bit, but then also my identity as a person as well.
"I can't do stuff – I can't go to the supermarket when it's busy or go to a cafe with my girlfriend, or drive my car.
"I'm a shell of a person that I was really.
"I can't do the basic things."
McCartin spent time in the USA this year, visiting a Chicago clinic called the Neurologic Wellness Institute.'
(The Age)
From their website, it looks like they are mainly chiropractic people. |
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Not one of ours, but...
'I came back a bit too muscly'
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-28/sam-docherty-story
"... Sam Docherty has shed six kilograms ahead of his return to pre-season training as part of a tweaked rehabilitation program from his second successive knee reconstruction.
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The former All Australian defender underwent a quad graft surgery with a lateral loop on the outside of his knee this time around, as opposed to having a hamstring graft surgery after his first injury, as well as undertaking a slightly different rehabilitation program.
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It included a focus on losing a considerable amount of upper body weight in an effort to reduce the strain on his legs upon eventually returning to training.
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Docherty will head to Philadelphia with Blues physio Dan James on Friday, where his rehab will continue alongside renowned sports reconditioning expert Bill Knowles.
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The Blues co-captain will follow in the footsteps of fellow AFL stars Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Nic Naitanui, Dan Menzel and Jon Patton in journeying to the United States to work under Knowles' guidance." |
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Tough lesson for Quaynor as he opens up about a recent injury
https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2019-11-25/tough-lesson-for-quaynor-as-he-opens-up-about-a-recent-injury
"Scans revealed a "hot spot", or stress reaction, that required time on the sidelines. The only positive was that it hadn't become a stress fracture.
Quaynor had initially hoped to make a late-season return but that plan was soon abandoned. By then he'd experienced pain in his back and groin, both of which emanated from a hip problem. The foot and hip issues are believed to have been connected.
In mid-September, when his teammates were headlong into their finals campaign, Quaynor underwent arthroscopic surgery that shaved off some bone from his right hip.
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Quaynor had his first light run in nine weeks when the first-to-fourth-year players started pre-season training last Monday. He expects to be back in full training after Christmas." |
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PyreneesPie 
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"Scans revealed a "hot spot", or stress reaction, that required time on the sidelines. The only positive was that it hadn't become a stress fracture.
Quaynor had initially hoped to make a late-season return but that plan was soon abandoned. By then he'd experienced pain in his back and groin, both of which emanated from a hip problem. The foot and hip issues are believed to have been connected.
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Interesting.... it seems from the wording of this report that the connected hip issue occurred after the foot issue. If so, this doesn't seem to be a very positive endorsement of the rehabilitation program IQ underwent for his foot  Surely, there are methods available of fixing one injury without causing another??? |
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Presti35
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Quick question, when the 2020 season starts, should we lock this thread and start a 2020 injury thread (that hopefully needs f-all updates). Or should we just keep this one rolling on?
(One reason I'm up for a new one is that the OP can change the thread title to include the latest news. Ie; Injury Thread - Aish Hamstring as an example, or Injury Thread - Update on O'Bree, but I guess the mods could just do that with this thread too).
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| K wrote: | Should you repair a torn ACL? That's a surprisingly tricky question
https://www.smh.com.au/national/should-you-repair-a-torn-acl-that-s-a-surprisingly-tricky-question-20191019-p53282.html
" "I said ‘look mate, that’s not an option. I can’t take 12 months off. I am out of contract, my career would be done. What are the odds of recovery without surgery?’
"He said ‘about 20 to 30 per cent’.
"Five per cent I would have thought twice, but 20 to 30 per cent – I loved those odds."
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After two and half months, Djulbic was running straight lines. Soon after that he was changing direction. In three months he was back into full training with his teammates.
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Other scientists say there is no strong evidence ACL surgery works any better than not doing surgery. Many people do fine without an ACL and don’t need surgery at all, they say.
"It’s very brave to tackle this topic," says Professor Evangelos Pappas, a top ACL researcher and head of the University of Sydney’s physiotherapy school. "It’s very controversial."
"The outcomes after ACL surgery has rightfully been questioned, because when we follow the outcomes of these athletes after surgery are not very good."
Studies show almost a quarter of athletes – and a third of AFL footballers – who receive ACL reconstruction surgery will reinjure their ACL. Less than half of patients will return to competitive sport.
And there are many stories of people seemingly able to cope without an ACL, some even returning to top-level sport. Penrith Panthers halfback Peter Wallace played two seasons without an ACL; NBA basketballer DeJuan Blair played over 450 games without ACLs in either knee.
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Kieran Richardson is a Perth-based physio who specialises in ACL rehab.
“I’ve had semi-professionals, basketball players return. It is absolutely achievable,” he says.
“But you have to trust the rehab. There are studies that show patients who have lots of fear, they have worse outcomes.”" |
If you're going to play sport without an ACL you need to do a shitpile of work in strengthening the muscles around it and/or change how you move. Straight line is fine but lateral movement if you aren't careful means the knee caves and you hit the deck.
The good news is, unless you injure other ligaments in the process, you're back in action surprisingly quickly.
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Left training with back issues
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The misery continues
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Presti35
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The other issue with this thread is the "No posts exist for this topic" when it passes a certain amount of posts on each page. I think that's because of the amount of merged threads we've had.
The Pendlebury countdown thread has the same issue.
No big deal, just a little annoying.
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