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stui magpie 
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Yeah, Nah. I don't thats right, nor is what has been practised in India any version of socialism.
They went from a feudal system, to centralised control by a private company, to centralised control by an English appointed Governer to self rule with initially a single party and still centralised control.
The fact that the government (or controlling body) of the time basically owned all industry doesn't make them socialist. It's only been just over 70 years since independence and they've made the biggest inroads in the past 20 or so but still have a fair way to go.
Yeah, the initial government was riddled with socialists, even putting the word into their constitution, but as a democracy does, once the people got sick of it they were able to vote for reform.
They are a practising democracy with both head of state and head of government elected by the people
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Wokko 
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Yeah, Nah. I don't thats right, nor is what has been practised in India any version of socialism.
They went from a feudal system, to centralised control by a private company, to centralised control by an English appointed Governer to self rule with initially a single party and still centralised control.
The fact that the government (or controlling body) of the time basically owned all industry doesn't make them socialist. It's only been just over 70 years since independence and they've made the biggest inroads in the past 20 or so but still have a fair way to go.
They are a practising democracy with both head of state and head of government elected by the people |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_India
"Socialism shaped the principal economic and social policies of the Indian government after independence until the early 1990s"
Their system was and is pretty clearly democratic socialist with efforts being made to liberalise the economy since the 1990s. |
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stui magpie
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Yeah, OK, I may have gone a bit hard early, but I still think trying to use India as an example of failed socialism is very rich.
There's so many other more accurate examples you could use.  
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David 
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Everyone wants to compare Sanders political goals to failed or repressive states like Venezuela or Cuba, but he always points out that, when he talks about democratic socialism in an American context, hes thinking of Western European countries, particularly places like Scandinavia, Germany and the Netherlands (this is why some leftists think Sanders isnt progressive enough even Jeremy Corbyn is arguably a much more radical leftist than him). Ive heard arguments as to why that cant work in America problems of replicating smaller countries systems on a larger scale but Im not sure how much actual economic basis there is to it. Lets face it, the current American system is already a disaster in many ways, with high levels of poverty, incarceration, poor health and the kind of cultural problems that libertarian gun rights advocates point to as the real reason mass shootings keep happening. Maybe its time to rein in the rampant capitalism and try something different.
Even Australia is, in certain respects, socialist compared to America, by the way keep in mind that our Medicare system (or something like it) was considered too radical by nearly every Democrat until 2016.
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stui magpie
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The USA political system explained in 5 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ATNeRzgED4
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Wokko
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Uh huh, European Socialism.
India is hardly an oppressive country, it's exactly the kind of socialism that is being advocated for, even Venezuela was touted as the exact kind of socialism that Sanders wanted, until it fell apart like socialism always does; when it runs out of other peoples money to spend.
Socialism isn't just a good idea that's been implemented poorly, it's an evil idea in the first place. |
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David
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^ The irony is that Sanders' democratic socialism might not look all that different to that cartoon either (although of course one can dispute how much an effective social democratic state is dependent on fundamental aspects of capitalism). At least the relationship between the two in the cartoon makes the lights turn on, as opposed to just a machine chugging away in the background to no discernible end goal.
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watt price tully 
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It really is a dumb and spurious augument to say that India was based on Democratic socialism as though that was a self contained argument. Anyone ignoring intevening variables such as:
*The Caste system;
*Hinduism;
*Endemic corruption of the polictical and business process; and,
*The actual size of India
displays very little undertanding if any of India.
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pietillidie
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'Capitalism' and 'socialism': two virtually meaningless terms that can be shaped into whatever excites. Yet, here we are still.
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Wokko
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Jezza 
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In order for the Democrats to win the 2020 election, they need to target the following states where I think Trump is vulnerable:
- Michigan (16 electoral college votes)
- Pennsylvania (20 electoral college votes)
- Wisconsin (10 electoral college votes)
- Iowa (6 votes)
The Democrats need to gain 38 electoral college votes from the last election in order to win in 2020.
You could also argue that Ohio, Florida, North Carolina are toss up states, but I think Trump will win these states. The support for him from these states has remained strong after two years.
The Democrats could be vulnerable states such as Nevada, New Hampshire and Maine.
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David
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Nepotism is everywhere in politics, and I'm not sure anyone cares about consensual affairs nowadays they'll need stronger material than that. Personally, I'm hoping the whole former-prosecutor thing knocks her out in the primaries.
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Wokko
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David
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Quite possibly, though if a high-profile anti-Trump Republican does the same, maybe you could have a four-party split?
Anyway, if the DNC goes ahead with this then theyre as mad as a cut snake and deserve to lose.
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HAL
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| What makes you think a high-profile anti-Trump Republican? |
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