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Pies2016 



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:41 pm
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Albert Parker wrote:
^Not sure they have a psychologist but have a psychiatrist, Adam Deacon


Pretty sure every club also has a Chaplin. Some players find it easier to talk to these guys because they dont identify themselves as being in need of any professional or mainstream counselling.
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K 



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:58 pm
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^ Brendan Nottle is presumably still the club chaplain. (Can anyone confirm this?)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:25 pm
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The state of the playing group is not just about the head fitness guy, of course...

Previously, I wondered: Does anyone know exactly how long the following people have been at the club?

Dean Filopoulos - Strength and Conditioning Coordinator
Brendan Lazarus - Sports Scientist
Adam Paulo - Strength Manager
Rohan Bownds - Head Trainer
...

and found partial answers:

Filopoulos - Strength & Conditioning Coordinator Nov 2017- present; VFL High Performance Manager 2012-...
Lazarus - Nov 2017-present
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:00 pm
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K wrote:
^ Brendan Nottle is presumably still the club chaplain. (Can anyone confirm this?)


Charlie would provide a much better form of religious chaplaincy

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 am
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Podcasts:
with high-profile AFL High-Performance Managers

Andrew Russell [Hawthorn (now poached)]

https://www.strengthofscience.com/pacey-performance-podcast/pacey-performance-podcast-170-andrew-russell/
(Jan. 2018)

Darren Burgess [Port Adelaide (previously Socceroos & Liverpool, now Arsenal)]

https://www.strengthofscience.com/sports-science/pacey-performance-podcast-19-darren-burgess/
(Oct. 2014)

https://www.strengthofscience.com/pacey-performance-podcast/pacey-performance-podcast-129-darren-burgess-part-2/
(Mar. 2017)


Burgess: "Fitness will never win you a championship, but it could lose you one."

"The evidence for massage is crap, but we put it in because the players like it."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:54 am
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K wrote:
Burgess: "The evidence for massage is crap, but we put it in because the players like it."


If it doesnt hurt then so they should. Placebo effect is still an effect

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:59 am
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote:
K wrote:
Burgess: "The evidence for massage is crap, but we put it in because the players like it."


If it doesnt hurt then so they should. Placebo effect is still an effect


Dont know where that statement came from, sports massage is a proven tool, they aint getting the happy ending ones! If you have ever had a decent soft tissue injury and seen a decent sport physio youd know for a fact yourself

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:18 pm
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Well, the Darren Burgess interview was in March, 2017, so it's fairly recent. How we should rank the fitness guys I don't know, but I guess most would love to have Liverpool and Arsenal on their resumes.

The non-specific, non-technical point of interest in that statement is that he's happy to let the players choose something they really like, even if he does not believe in it.


As for the merits or otherwise of sports massage... (we should probably make a distinction between injury rehab and exercise recovery, too), here's something in the pro camp:

Massage Therapy Attenuates Inflammatory Signaling After Exercise-Induced Muscle Damage (in Science Translational Medicine, Feb. 2012)

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/119/119ra13.short

https://www.reprenezlescommandes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/9.1.5_Massage_Therapy_Attenuates_Inflammatory_Signaling_After_Exercise-Induced_Muscle_Damage.pdf

The editor writes:

"... Crane and his colleagues have documented the biological changes that massage evokes in the leg muscles of 11 young men who had just pushed themselves to exhaustion with heavy exercise. The exercise itself caused massive changes in gene expression, but after 10 min of massage, signaling pathways responsive to mechanical stresses were activated. Massage reduced signs of inflammation, and massaged muscle cells were better able to make new mitochondriapromoting faster recovery from exercise-induced muscle damage.

Massage stretches and pulls muscles and, as one might expect, the authors found that mechanosensory sensors focal adhesion kinase1 and its downstream effectors extracellular signaling kinases 1 and 2 were activated, as revealed by their increased phosphorylation. Several hours after massage, another downstream target of this pathway, PGC-1α, shifted into the nucleus, where it in turn activated transcription of its own targets COX7B and ND1. This set of responses indicated that additional mitochondria were forming, presumably accelerating healing of the muscle. Massage also altered the behavior of NFκB, causing less of this key inflammatory mediator to accumulate in the nucleus. Consequently, the NFκB-regulated heat shock proteins and immune cytokines interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factorα were less active, a sign of less cellular stress and inflammation.

But one oft-repeated idea turned out not to be true. As others have shown, massage did not help clear lactic acid from tired muscles. And glycogen levels were also unchanged."



But Poppendieck and colleagues in

Massage and Performance Recovery: A Meta-Analytical Review (in Sports Medicine, Feb. 2016)

still conclude:

"The effects of massage on performance recovery are rather small and partly unclear, but can be relevant under appropriate circumstances (short-term recovery after intensive mixed training). However, it remains questionable if the limited effects justify the widespread use of massage as a recovery intervention in competitive athletes."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:11 pm
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The first paragraph is all you need. The rest has some humour in it.

I guess this story never had a happy ending.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:37 am
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K wrote:
AP, do you know how he came to have that role at our club?

It's a little unusual. (I mean the detailed professional background, not the specific individual, is not one you might automatically connect with a football club, and I've been wondering about it since last year.)


Sorry, I don't K.

I can see merit in having a psych on board the exec at the football club.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:51 am
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think positive wrote:
Dont know where that statement came from, sports massage is a proven tool, they aint getting the happy ending ones! If you have ever had a decent soft tissue injury and seen a decent sport physio youd know for a fact yourself


Had plenty of both; as I understood the original quote was about non-injury massage

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm
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The Mavericks Key to Keeping Players Fresh? Blood Samples

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/sports/basketball/dallas-mavericks-blood-samples.html

"The Mavericks import frequent testing from the Irish company Orreco, which is in its third season making personalized recommendations for Mavericks players regarding athletic workloads and diets, largely through the study of blood analysis.

Although some in the sports medicine community have questioned whether the value of such blood work is overstated, Dallas leans heavily on Orrecos team of consultants and their assessments of how to maximize player-readiness.

All the things N.B.A. teams talk about players minutes, their load, their tracking data, their camera data all of that is external data used to try to predict whats going on internally, said Casey Smith, the head of Dallass athletic training staff. What were doing is trying to get a little bit of a look at whats actually going on internally.

Dallas is one of just two N.B.A. teams, along with the Knicks, to hire Orreco...

Taking cues from Orrecos findings, Smith and Jeremy Holsopple, the Mavericks athletic performance director, tailor an individualized mix of training, rest and recovery for each of Dallass 17 players. The Mavericks' owner, Mark Cuban, said the team pays Orreco nearly $150,000 per year.
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Four times a season, Orreco staff members come to Dallas to administer a full venous blood draw on Mavericks players. To supplement those visits, Dallas mixes in frequent capillary blood draws for its players in which a quick pinprick sample is taken to provide near-instant readings of oxidative stress levels in the blood from a players ear or index finger.

League rules allow players to refuse any blood testing if they find the procedures too invasive, but the team says only one Maverick, whom they declined to identify, had done so.
...

The samples, according to the Orreco co-founder Dr. Brian Moore, enable the firm to analyze a players hematology and biochemistry by assessing nearly 50 biomarkers.

This includes examining creatine kinase to assess muscle damage and high-sensitivity C-reactive protein to measure inflammation two areas of particular concern for basketball players because of the nature of their on-court movements. Hydration and nutrition indicators such as vitamin D levels, and iron and fatty acid profiles are among the additional variables analyzed to determine where each player lands on a four-zone readiness to perform index.

Along with the biomarker panels, Orrecos algorithms also take into account game minutes, air miles traveled, sleep data and reaction times that are obtained from wearable devices used during practices.
...

Still ... some independent experts have their doubts.

Dr. Anthony Romeo, the chief of orthopedics at the Rothman Institute in New York and a former team physician for the Chicago White Sox who also worked with the Chicago Bulls, said he would maintain a healthy level of skepticism about Orrecos work until it reveals more about the biomarkers it studies and the data being gathered.

... at this time nothing supplants outstanding coaches and trainers that can do a visual analysis and understand their athletes from the traditional methods to know whether theyre training too hard or too little.

Said Dr. Robert Dimeff, a team physician for the Dallas Stars of the N.H.L. and a past president of the American Medical Society for Sports Medicine: I think this is a research-based tool at this point in time, but I dont think its ready for prime time. ...
...

Although the Mavericks are hardly alone in embracing bioanalytics, they are on a very short list of top-level professional sports franchises that are willing to ignore the ultra-secretive norm and publicly acknowledge its work with Orreco.

Aside from the Mavericks, only Newcastle United of the English Premier League has acknowledged being an Orreco customer. ...

The company, though, said it could not discuss the Knicks, or the two Major League Baseball clubs and another Premier League soccer team it counts as clients.

Smith cited Quest Diagnostics Blueprint Fit as another top practitioner in the field that he suspects has an N.B.A. clientele..."
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