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MJ23
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| Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | The Senate will continue to tinker with trivia - that’s what upper houses do. |
You obviously don't understand the US system at all if you believe this. If Trump was told when he was elected he could increase his majority in the Senate but would lose the house in the Mid Terms then he'd take it every time. There's a reason he campaigned pretty much only in tight Senate races (Cruz) and for Governors while ignoring House contests.
The Senate confirms justices, giving the Republicans 2 years to stack the benches with whoever they want. It also confirms cabinet appointments so Trump can now have the team he wants; not the team that moderates like McCain let him have when he was elected.
The Senate also presides over any impeachment hearing and determines if the President is removed.
As for asinine talk of Nazis and dictatorships, the US system was made to defend against that and Trump is about as far from a dictator as you can get. The closest the USA has had to a dictatorship was Lincoln or FDR and Trump hasn't done anything even close to those two to be considered a tyrant. |
yep, summed up perfectly.
Only thing Id add is that Trump never really controlled the house with many republicans in the house working against him. Many of which were voted out yesterday and why he deliberately brought them up in his presser.
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MJ23
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| David wrote: | | Let’s hope the right-wing true believers have something to riot about in two years... |
You wont see it even if Dems win the next presidential.
1. The "true believers" Im assuming your talking about far right - there are not enough of them. They do not decide an election.
2. Republicans base do not riot, they just go back to work or the gym or the garden.....
3. Mainstream democrats do - Its not just the far left who throw temper tantrums its the whole base.
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Pies4shaw 
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| MJ23 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | The US Senate is different from ours in that it elects 1 senator outright for each of the States in respect of which a Senate election is being held. Thus, the representation goes entirely according to who has the majority in the particular year - there is no election by quota.
In yesterday's election, a third of the Senate places were up for grabs (plus two out-of-turn elections to cover unscheduled vacancies). Of the 35, in total, 26 were occupied by Democrats or allies and 9 were occupied by Republicans. In the next election, there will be (before allowing for unscheduled changes) only 11 seats presently occupied by Democrats and 20 occupied by Republicans and in the 2022 elections, there will be 12 seats presently occupied by Democrats and 22 occupied by Republicans.
As to whether any of those 42 Republican Senate seats are actually "up for grabs", here's a useful article on how the numbers work, in practice - please note that the reference to "bias" in the title is a reference to statistical bias in voting patterns - it isn't asserting some sort of unfair playing field, political bias or gerrymander: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-congressional-map-is-historically-biased-toward-the-gop/ |
Not quite right - each state has two senators representing them.
Senators serves 6 year terms with a third of them up for re-election every 2 years.
A clear majority in the senate is most important than anything else for any sitting president. Reason Trump now could comfortably sack Sessions is that now he can get whoever he wants confirmed. |
It was exactly right. If you can’t follow precise statements, don’t comment on them. It really is tiresome. |
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MJ23
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | MJ23 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | The US Senate is different from ours in that it elects 1 senator outright for each of the States in respect of which a Senate election is being held. Thus, the representation goes entirely according to who has the majority in the particular year - there is no election by quota.
In yesterday's election, a third of the Senate places were up for grabs (plus two out-of-turn elections to cover unscheduled vacancies). Of the 35, in total, 26 were occupied by Democrats or allies and 9 were occupied by Republicans. In the next election, there will be (before allowing for unscheduled changes) only 11 seats presently occupied by Democrats and 20 occupied by Republicans and in the 2022 elections, there will be 12 seats presently occupied by Democrats and 22 occupied by Republicans.
As to whether any of those 42 Republican Senate seats are actually "up for grabs", here's a useful article on how the numbers work, in practice - please note that the reference to "bias" in the title is a reference to statistical bias in voting patterns - it isn't asserting some sort of unfair playing field, political bias or gerrymander: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-congressional-map-is-historically-biased-toward-the-gop/ |
Not quite right - each state has two senators representing them.
Senators serves 6 year terms with a third of them up for re-election every 2 years.
A clear majority in the senate is most important than anything else for any sitting president. Reason Trump now could comfortably sack Sessions is that now he can get whoever he wants confirmed. |
It was exactly right. If you can’t follow precise statements, don’t comment on them. It really is tiresome. |
Really ? hmm......
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David 
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| MJ23 wrote: | | David wrote: | | Let’s hope the right-wing true believers have something to riot about in two years... |
You wont see it even if Dems win the next presidential.
1. The "true believers" Im assuming your talking about far right - there are not enough of them. They do not decide an election.
2. Republicans base do not riot, they just go back to work or the gym or the garden.....
3. Mainstream democrats do - Its not just the far left who throw temper tantrums its the whole base. |
I'm talking about the MAGA crowd, who may be slightly unhappy about the US electing a socialist or left-faction Democrat. Well, we can hope!
(Also, mainstream Democrats don't riot. They're too busy watching stock market reports and trying to find people to fund their new tech start-ups.)
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| David wrote: | | MJ23 wrote: | | David wrote: | | Let’s hope the right-wing true believers have something to riot about in two years... |
You wont see it even if Dems win the next presidential.
1. The "true believers" Im assuming your talking about far right - there are not enough of them. They do not decide an election.
2. Republicans base do not riot, they just go back to work or the gym or the garden.....
3. Mainstream democrats do - Its not just the far left who throw temper tantrums its the whole base. |
I'm talking about the MAGA crowd, who may be slightly unhappy about the US electing a socialist or left-faction Democrat. Well, we can hope!
(Also, mainstream Democrats don't riot. They're too busy watching stock market reports and trying to find people to fund their new tech start-ups.) |
 Tumps point exactly - the elite 
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Well, yes, there's a lot of elite in both major parties (including Trump, who's a member of the US elite and always has been). They're both ultimately subservient to big capital, and have plenty of space for the mega-rich to not only be part of the show but to more or less run it from the top.
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| David wrote: | | Well, yes, there's a lot of elite in both major parties (including Trump, who's a member of the US elite and always has been). They're both ultimately subservient to big capital, and have plenty of space for the mega-rich to not only be part of the show but to more or less run it from the top. |
Yes exactly. Republicans USED to be the "big Capital" party. Dems more than ever in their history are now becoming the party of elite and mega rich.
Difference I think is the Trump is honest about it, is calling it out and is fundamentally for LESS government while the Dems are for more. This is why Trump is appealing to the middle class and has growing appeal among the poor.
Just my thinking, may be wrong.
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| MJ23 wrote: | | David wrote: | | Well, yes, there's a lot of elite in both major parties (including Trump, who's a member of the US elite and always has been). They're both ultimately subservient to big capital, and have plenty of space for the mega-rich to not only be part of the show but to more or less run it from the top. |
Yes exactly. Republicans USED to be the "big Capital" party. Dems more than ever in their history are now becoming the party of elite and mega rich.
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Which also poses an interesting problem for them.
They are the party of choice for many of the mega rich and elite who come from an Arts or IT background
They are also the party of choice for the left leaning uni students as, despite not actually being left wing in any way, shape or form, they're slightly further left than the republicans (meaning they're borderline centre right) so they're the only option in a 2 party system.
Will they allow the influx of various degrees of left wingers to take over the party and fundamentally shift and change it or will they resist? If they resist, the degree of resistance will determine the level of support they lose or gain.
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^ It’s an interesting struggle, and my impression is that the left are winning big time since 2016 – most Democrats now claim to support a Medicare-like scheme, and the party is increasingly shifting towards a younger, more politically active base. Honestly, after the Clinton catastrophe I’m expecting that they’ll try to find a candidate who offers a middle-ground option between her conservatism and Sanders’ left-wing values in 2020 – someone like Kamala Harris (who I’ve been reading a little about lately and been somewhat impressed by) or Elizabeth Warren.
Or if they’re complete morons they’ll put up someone like Zuckerberg or Joe Biden, or, I dunno, Clinton again! Probably an even-money chance, then. Let the circus begin!
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My impression is that they'll encourage the left wingers as long as it buys them votes. When they get enough numbers to try to influence policy, different argument.
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| David wrote: | ^ It’s an interesting struggle, and my impression is that the left are winning big time since 2016 – most Democrats now claim to support a Medicare-like scheme, and the party is increasingly shifting towards a younger, more politically active base. Honestly, after the Clinton catastrophe I’m expecting that they’ll try to find a candidate who offers a middle-ground option between her conservatism and Sanders’ left-wing values in 2020 – someone like Kamala Harris (who I’ve been reading a little about lately and been somewhat impressed by) or Elizabeth Warren.
Or if they’re complete morons they’ll put up someone like Zuckerberg or Joe Biden, or, I dunno, Clinton again! Probably an even-money chance, then. Let the circus begin! |
Beto (wtf) O'Rourke who suffered a narrow defeat to the high profile Republican Ted Cruz in Texas might be the one to appeal to enough white voters in Middle America.
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Cant really disagree with anything written above by all. Identity is the Dems biggest issue. Even the leadership knows if it leans too far left the middle of America will not vote for them. In the end they may not need it to but a huge risk.
The direction they settle on I think will be decided in the Primaries. Beto seems well backed and the Dems have set a record in the money funnelled into his Texas campaign. Ironically, the money came from their base in the eastern and western seaboards where the candidates come from that he will compete against.
In the end things like the promise of universal healthcare as well as free or funded tuition will attract votes especially from the young - it will never ever be enacted. The same way the wall wont get funded and the guns wont get banned.
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