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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:55 pm
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Interesting comparsion.
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thesoretoothsayer wrote:
Looks like the AFLW girls will be shaving their beards as well as their legs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-31/gender-diversity-policy-for-aflw-and-afl


Actually seems like a logical policy, time will tell if it’s enough.

Why do trans women have to supply the detailed fitness report though, if it’s not going to be taken into consideration? I still think that there will be considerable advantage in most of those areas, but that will be obvious on the field. It certainly was in those infamous netball games!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:19 am
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Im not sure about those fitness reports either. The results would be easy to fudge. Confused

I'm interested in this bit.

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The policy has been developed over 12 months following consultation with medical and scientific experts in elite competitive sport, the Australian Human Rights Commission, Australian Sports Commission, AFLPA and representatives from the gender diverse community.


How much say I wonder, have the female footballers had in all this? They are the ones who will be playing with and against the trans athletes.

I wonder what would happen is a female footballer was cleaned up in a tackle by a trans opponent and suffered a career ending injury as their opponent was bigger and stronger?

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stui magpie wrote:
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Im not sure about those fitness reports either. The results would be easy to fudge. Confused

I'm interested in this bit.

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The policy has been developed over 12 months following consultation with medical and scientific experts in elite competitive sport, the Australian Human Rights Commission, Australian Sports Commission, AFLPA and representatives from the gender diverse community.


How much say I wonder, have the female footballers had in all this? They are the ones who will be playing with and against the trans athletes.

I wonder what would happen is a female footballer was cleaned up in a tackle by a trans opponent and suffered a career ending injury as their opponent was bigger and stronger?


That’s what I argued way back when in the netball thread, when I saw first hand the difference physically. Footy is a very physical game, and as was pointed out then, there are a lot of very big females playing footy, and netball. Does it make a difference if the opponent is also trans gender? Certainly it not just height and weight advantage. I have no idea what the answer is. I’m not going there again, because I personally can’t see a middle ground that makes everyone happy.

Also, Stuff happens. As we unfortunately saw last week.

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Where we have rules we have anomaly's. Mouncey is one anomaly and is actually huge, just look at him/her standing next to Jonathon Brown for a comparison. 5 years testosterone levels should be standard with monthly testing. No testicles and penis (expensive procedure) but if you want to play football with women, you have to be one. Not 50/50.
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And who decides who is or isn't a woman, exactly?
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And who decides who is or isn't a woman, exactly?


The penis?

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David wrote:
And who decides who is or isn't a woman, exactly?
My view, if you need to stand to pee then that rules you out of the Women'c comp.
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How about we just get rid of mens and womens sports and have them all play in the same competition?

Apart from volleyball, I can't think of any benefit to watching the female version of a sport so why not just do away with them?

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David wrote:
And who decides who is or isn't a woman, exactly?
My view, if you need to stand to pee then that rules you out of the Women'c comp.


You need to take the balls off, they're what produce the testosterone. Without them, the penis is just for decoration.

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roar wrote:
How about we just get rid of mens and womens sports and have them all play in the same competition?

Apart from volleyball, I can't think of any benefit to watching the female version of a sport so why not just do away with them?


I think we've had that discussion before.

In team sports it may work if you legislated that each team must have a set % of women. In most individual sports it would mean the women would be uncompetitive so it wouldn't work.

Even if womens sport is generally not something I watch, at least it gives young women something to aspire to in regard to fitness and exercise.

I'd actually be happy to see mens sport actually be classified as "open", where anyone of any gender can compete if they're good enough, and have womens sport reserved for Women.

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roar wrote:
How about we just get rid of mens and womens sports and have them all play in the same competition?

Apart from volleyball, I can't think of any benefit to watching the female version of a sport so why not just do away with them?


As a proud feminist I think this is the only way forward.
Otherwise, you'd be promoting the lie that men (in general) have some kind of physical advantage over women.
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stui magpie wrote:
Culprit wrote:
David wrote:
And who decides who is or isn't a woman, exactly?
My view, if you need to stand to pee then that rules you out of the Women'c comp.


You need to take the balls off, they're what produce the testosterone. Without them, the penis is just for decoration.


There are other ways of reducing testosterone, of course.

Anyway, for all the AFL's undue conservatism on this topic, I am glad that they are in charge of these decisions and not the armchair gender experts posting in this thread. And yeah, yeah, I'm one too, but some of you really need some elementary education on this topic.

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You don't need to be a 'gender expert' (please tell me, we don't really have these?!)to know there are males & females.
Anyone who thinks differently has obvious mental issues.

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