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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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With Australia's population having ticked over just 25 million people on Tuesday night, the debate about immigration in this country has intensified. There's strong sentiment from the electorate that immigration numbers to be reduced.
In 2002, the then Immigration Minister, Phillip Ruddock projected if the annual immigration numbers of the time, which were 93,000 a year remained indefinite, Australia wouldn't reach 25 million people until 2050, and later Ruddock increased the numbers to such a rate so that Australia would be on track to reach 25 million in 2040, and yet now the number has already been reached 22 years earlier than expected. If the current immigration numbers are not reduced, it is projected that Australia will have a population of 38 million in 2050.
With the struggles of keeping up with infrastructure, rising house prices, stagnant wages, congestion et al and the concern that new migrants are not dispersing and only settling in the two big cities (Sydney and Melbourne), can Australia afford to sustain the current immigration numbers it has right now?
The political class has tried to ignore this issue for a long time, but its gaining momentum amongst the electorate.
Amongst the G12 nations, Australia has experienced the largest population growth since 2000.
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watt price tully
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The immigration rate has reduced.
I think Tannin summed it up well (immigration) a while ago but bugger me (met of c) co I be stuffed trying to find it. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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Jezza
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True, but does it need to be reduced further? _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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Wow. Needs to be halved at the very least. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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Pies4shaw
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I think if we start by kicking out all the fringe rightists to make more room for actual humans, that would be a step in the correct direction. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Pies4shaw wrote: | I think if we start by kicking out all the fringe rightists to make more room for actual humans, that would be a step in the correct direction. |
Sure, a civil war always makes room. You know its the responsible solution. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pies4shaw
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Jezza and his half a dozen or so mates are hardly the stuff of civil war - but I do appreciate that you think that his extreme views are mainstream, rather than extreme-fringe paranoid delusions. |
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Mugwump
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Jezza and his half a dozen or so mates are hardly the stuff of civil war - but I do appreciate that you think that his extreme views are mainstream, rather than extreme-fringe paranoid delusions. |
I wasnt thinking of their position : only that your intolerance above might not work out so well if the other side were to adopt it.
If you think Jezza is extreme because he questions migration numbers, youre in parody territory. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pies4shaw
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Mugwump wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Jezza and his half a dozen or so mates are hardly the stuff of civil war - but I do appreciate that you think that his extreme views are mainstream, rather than extreme-fringe paranoid delusions. |
I wasnt thinking of their position : only that your intolerance above might not work out so well if the other side were to adopt it.
If you think Jezza is extreme because he questions migration numbers, youre in parody territory. |
If you think that's the most extreme view Jezza has posted in VPT, you haven't been paying attention. |
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stui magpie
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Immigration is not a simple issue.
On one hand we have an ageing population population so with zero immigration the pool of taxpayers reduces along with the governments ability to pay for services.
On the other hand, population growth and urban sprawl is already happening faster than the services required. There's also the matter of land. Australia is a big joint but only a very small portion of it is arable land. The urban sprawl is rapidly converting that portion of land that was being used to feed us, into concrete.
Infrastructure planning and population growth may be two different topics but they're closely inter-related so you can't address one without the other.
Personally I think population growth needs to be checked, it can't be allowed to continue at the current rate, but we need to look closely at the consequences of that and how to deal with them. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Jezza and his half a dozen or so mates are hardly the stuff of civil war - but I do appreciate that you think that his extreme views are mainstream, rather than extreme-fringe paranoid delusions. |
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/2018-lowy-institute-poll
"There has been a sharp spike in anti-immigration sentiment.
For the first time in Lowy Institute polling, a majority (54%, a 14-point rise from 2017) of Australians say the total number of migrants coming to Australia each year is too high."
Yep, Jezza and his half a dozen or so mates.
( and 13.5 million other people ) |
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K
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Mugwump wrote: | ...
If you think Jezza is extreme because he questions migration numbers, youre in parody territory. |
If you think that's the most extreme view Jezza has posted in VPT, you haven't been paying attention. |
What is the most extreme view Jezza's posted? (I can't help but be curious...) |
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stui magpie
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He suggested that Dick the Butcher in Henry IV was correct? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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While I definitely think we should increase our refugee intake, Im not sure where I stand on skilled migration levels. We know high levels of migration are generally good for the economy, but that public infrastructure is struggling to keep up with population growth. So the answer to the question of whether we need to get better at infrastructure or try to control population levels seems unclear to me; beyond those discussions, what Id like to see is a coherent argument as to why either a Small Australia or Big Australia is desirable. And if were to pursue the former aim, how would that actually work in practice (i.e. who gets turned away at the door, or what extra hoops have to be jumped through, presuming that current migration levels are mostly fuelled by demand)?
Can anyone point to successful examples in terms of economics and standard of living of countries dramatically reducing migration levels? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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K wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Mugwump wrote: | ...
If you think Jezza is extreme because he questions migration numbers, youre in parody territory. |
If you think that's the most extreme view Jezza has posted in VPT, you haven't been paying attention. |
What is the most extreme view Jezza's posted? (I can't help but be curious...) |
Im curious as well. Jezza is as polite and considerate as any poster on the board, Id have thought. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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