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| Skids wrote: | ...
So, it's the 11th of August <snip>
We,ve got Brisbane and Port at the G.... We could play freo on the moon and still win in the last round...with Elliot, Varoe, Moore, Reid and Faz sizzling inthe 2's... Treloar is champing at the bit and Aish is on his heels.... Hang on...... heeeeereeee'sss Daniel 
We win the last 3 (15-7), finish 2nd or 3rd and Bobs ya uncle.... It's 10 weeks people... 10 weeks until the first final.
We will be healthy and ready, as per the plan |
Is this another PUI, Skids (like http://magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?p=1836025#1836025 )? |
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Skids
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| Culprit wrote: | | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-02/inside-the-grow-houses-of-australias-illegal-cannabis-trade/9889304 |
A great article and more reason why, it needs to be leaglized and controlled by the government, not crime syndicates.
“The scale of what we’re finding in cannabis grow houses across NSW and potentially across Australia is alarming.”
Senior police believe the syndicates controlling Australia’s multi-billion-dollar cannabis black market are far more powerful than they had previously suspected.
The majority of these grow houses are operated by Vietnamese organised crime.
“We have been raiding all these houses and I’m not sure we’re even making a dent.”
People have been electrocuted setting up a grow house.
At some houses, the wiring is so dangerous police have been able to feel the heat from electricity pulsing through the floor.
Unpredictable electrical set-ups aren’t the only danger — some houses are laced with booby traps like razor wire, or door knobs that will electrocute whoever touches them.
The more sophisticated syndicates, Superintendent McErlain said, use cash businesses such as nail salons and restaurants to launder their money, rather than using property and the casino, which are more easily traced.
“Some of that cash is injected into cash-only businesses, which is an attempt to hide the black economy in cannabis."
Some of that cash obviously goes to the middle section of the organisation, the logistic side and the crop-sitters who mind the grow houses.Some of that cash goes offshore, but I think there’s a bit of an intelligence gap about [where] the majority of it goes.”
It’s not just information that’s exchanged — in the course of this investigation, the ABC has learned of five recent cases of Vietnamese organised crime syndicates attempting to import tens of millions of dollars’ worth of cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA from Canada to Australia in foot spas.
In some cases, it appeared the syndicates used nail salons — the same salons which launder cash from grow houses — to order the spas, to give the impression they were a legitimate commercial importation.
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stui magpie 
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Every single culture in history seems to have found a way to alter the consciousness, whether it be brewing alcohol or using local fauna that either has a stimulant, depressant or psychedelic effect. Even Australian Aboriginals (Google pituri)
Given that history clearly shows the demand exists and always has, maybe it's time to stop a fight we can't win, tell the health 'experts' to just STFU , and legalise all drugs provided they're manufactured under controlled conditions, licensed and taxed? Destroy the black market by making it legal, apply appropriate health warnings, let people make their own decisions, use some of the revenue for research and health support and bank all the savings from the money we don't spend on the war against drugs?
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| stui magpie wrote: | Every single culture in history seems to have found a way to alter the consciousness, whether it be brewing alcohol or using local fauna that either has a stimulant, depressant or psychedelic effect. Even Australian Aboriginals (Google pituri)
Given that history clearly shows the demand exists and always has, maybe it's time to stop a fight we can't win, tell the health 'experts' to just STFU , and legalise all drugs provided they're manufactured under controlled conditions, licensed and taxed? Destroy the black market by making it legal, apply appropriate health warnings, let people make their own decisions, use some of the revenue for research and health support and bank all the savings from the money we don't spend on the war against drugs? |
Every culture in history has found ways to do all sorts of unhealthy and destructive things - I don’t think that is an argument for legalization. The same argument applies to heroin, after all. I think it is reasonable to argue that dope is relatively harmless, but not that it should be legalized just because some people always want it.
We effectively won this fight for half a century in the West, until drug use was glamorized and justified by pop music.
I strongly suspect that the savings from the war against drugs will be spent on psychosis remediation, on combating the dope producers who move up the supply chain to manufacture and distribute harder stuff, on stoner road accidents, and on social benefits for the increased number of dopeheads. Alcohol has amazing social costs.
So I don’t agree with your premises. The characters with the grow houses might lose interest if they were incarcerated for 25 years then -where possible - deported.
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Question for those who want to legalize marijuana ... are you happy to see this drug sold in supermarkets and convenience stores ? If not, is that because you accept that it is harmful when widely used ? If you do accept that it has harm, then why do you want to legalize it ?
If you believe that we can deter (but not eliminate) drink driving by enforcing stringent laws against it, why would such an approach not work with dope ? Is it possible that the problem with prohibiting marijuana is that we do not actually enforce the law against it, rather than the fact that it is too hard to do so ?
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I'm not saying that I want to legalise drugs, my point above was simply that
Demand exists for drugs and always has.
Trying to eliminate supply (prohibition) is expensive and hasn't worked
Maybe controlling supply is the best option.
Dope could be sold in supermarkets next to cigarettes
Other drugs could be pharmacy only and some of those would require a prescription.
I don't particularly like that, but what we're currently doing doesn't work.
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| stui magpie wrote: | I'm not saying that I want to legalise drugs, my point above was simply that
Demand exists for drugs and always has.
Trying to eliminate supply (prohibition) is expensive and hasn't worked
Maybe controlling supply is the best option.
Dope could be sold in supermarkets next to cigarettes
Other drugs could be pharmacy only and some of those would require a prescription.
I don't particularly like that, but what we're currently doing doesn't work. |
But it does work, even though it’s not seriously enforced : you cannot buy dope tonight without putting in some effort, and most people will not bother. If possession of dope had the same consequences as drink driving (large fines and suspension of license), it’d work very quickly. Prohibition doesn’t work because the people who enforce the law do not want it to work.
One more point. You will never stop supply until you choke off consumption. The idea that you can stop drugs by choking supply has been a great fallacy, perpetrated, I suspect, to make law enforcement agencies feel important. Suppliers have the big motive (big $) to do what they do. Consumers have a pretty slight motive, and will stop if there is a significant disincentive.
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Meanwhile.... crooks make trillions, governments waste millions and it will never go away.
Legalize, regulate and Tax it now.
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^ well, yes, that avoids all of the hard questions. Since this avoidance of a coherent argument seems to be winning the day, I understand why legalisers keep using it.
Facts and logic are always defenseless against prejudice.
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