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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | By the way, before boarding the outrage train, did anyone actually bother to watch the video in question?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/muslim-women-describe-how-men-10218040
Note the use of the phrase "should not cause pain", and the demonstration of the actual implements used, which seem almost purely ritualistic in nature – nothing to do with giving your wife a black eye.
TP, you say you once smacked your child so hard that you left a red mark on their leg – if what these women are saying is sincere, then a Muslim man doing that to his wife would be unacceptable. Again, I wish my Christian mother had been barbaric enough to hit me with a folded handkerchief!
I'm not defending the video, by the way: it is trivialising a serious problem in conservative religious communities and saying this sort of stuff is acceptable is probably the thin edge of the wedge. But the fact that this is causing such outrage while genuinely painful and humiliating discipline of children in the home is still shrugged at does seem a remarkable double standard to me. |
I'd say that you are clearly defending it, in your seemingly perennial desire to provide an apologia for this relic of the culture of 6th century Arabia and its dreadful failure and crimes in the modern world. This HuT propaganda about pencils and folded hankies should not be swallowed by anyone. They are a seriously wicked organisation who should be mocked and exposed at every turn.
I also understand, I think, that your view of corporal punishment is justly and deeply held ; shaped, I presume, by its excessive and unjust administration in your own childhood, motivated by some kind of perverted Christianity. It is a testament to your courage and undoubted intelligence (despite your daft ideas  ) that you were unbroken by it and rejected that religious nonsense.
It is, however, a different issue, as I explained above. I think light physical punishment of children is acceptable, but only within narrow limits (eg open hand only, legs or bum, infrequent, parent or approved educator only, etc). Beyond that, it should be treated as common assault. We have three children and I whacked the first one perhaps 2 or 3 times in his first 6 years in that fashion. I soon found that picking them up and locking them in the spare room for 15 minutes was just as effective and made me feel better about myself, though I'm not sure which they hated more. I think they preferred the slap on the bum, probably, as it was quicker and over and done. In either event, I believe that they were ultimately reassured by the fact that an essentially benign but uncompromising parental authority was reinforced when boundaries were broken.
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Be smart ..... like Japan!
Japanese PM tells UN to shove it, will not take in any Muslim ‘refugees
UNITED NATIONS – Japan’s prime minister said Tuesday that his nation needs to attend to its own demographic challenges posed by falling birth rates and an aging population before opening its doors to refugees.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced at the U.N. General Assembly that Japan is ramping up assistance in response to the exodus of refugees to Europe from the Middle East and Africa.
He said Japan will provide $1.5 billion in emergency aid for refugees and for stabilization of communities facing upheaval. But speaking to reporters later Tuesday he poured cold water on the idea of Japan opening its doors to those fleeing.
http://readflicks.com/japanese-pm-tells-un-shove-will-not-take-muslim-refugees/
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stui magpie 
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Japan has to be the most xenophobic 1st world nation in the world, closely followed by China.
if you're not Japanese, the only way in is with specialist skills and even that is kept on a short leash. English teachers are one example.
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| stui magpie wrote: | Japan has to be the most xenophobic 1st world nation in the world, closely followed by China.
if you're not Japanese, the only way in is with specialist skills and even that is kept on a short leash. English teachers are one example. |
Japan are interesting - with such a homogeneous population and as a result homogeneous HLA phenotypes - blood for transfusion in Japan has to be irradiated to prevent a fatal complication called Transfusion Associated Graft Vs Host disease. This is the major reason relatives can't direct donate their blood to family members without radiation ( the other being the risk that they tell porkies about their ah lifestyle choices).
Probably totally irrelevant to this thread but there are greater risks and benefits to a heterogeneous population than which sky fairy one believes in IMO.
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^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse!
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I have said this before. If Japan took a heap of Rohingas they would rejuvenate the failing agricultural section and solve a regional problem. It would then take pressure off Japan for anything else. They could easily take 20000 and put them in small communities and the Rohingas would be so grateful they would assimilate. The poor buggers want a home.The reason a lot ended up in Myanmar (then Burma) is because they were brought into Burma to work as labourers during WW2 then starved them. Bangladesh, Pakistan and india got independence and they were never repatriated. It would go some way to repaying an historical debt. They have thousands of empty cottages and as the population dies off the land could end up lying fallow for years. Perhaps don't offer citizenship but offer it to children born in Japan. Thailand and Malaysia can't handle them all.
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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Not enough diversity in 22 m people....? Right....
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| Mugwump wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Not enough diversity in 22 m people....? Right.... |
Maybe it's a big Tasmania or deliverance country!
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Skids
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| think positive wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Not enough diversity in 22 m people....? Right.... |
Maybe it's a big Tasmania or deliverance country! |
Mugwump means here TP.... Japan has 127 million people
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http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v109/n4/full/hdy201233a.html
| Quote: | | Consistent with results from agricultural populations, the existing literature suggests that high genetic diversity could buffer host populations against disease spread. Although observational studies from natural populations of vertebrates (for example, cheetahs, sea lions, fish and frogs) may have limitations, they strongly suggest that diversity matters, and their results are consistent with experimental studies on freshwater crustaceans and social insects. |
The unresolved question seems to be whether this effect still holds in very large population groups. Morrigu's post suggests it may, although this might be mitigated by cultural traditions of only marrying someone from your home village, etc. Japan, for instance, held onto arranged marriage traditions longer than many other countries, I believe.
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Our gene pool is already reasonably. 28% of the population was born overseas. Add in the number of first generation Australians and you're up around half of the population.
Immigration in general is a different question to how we allow immigrants in and what criteria we use to select them.
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| Sorry what you want going to games live something I did or had the chance to do until recent years so I'm comfortable to barrack from the lounge room as I used to listening on the radio live TV games is not something I I don't do math. |
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Morrigu
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Our gene pool is already reasonably. 28% of the population was born overseas. Add in the number of first generation Australians and you're up around half of the population. |
Yes and that in itself creates issues with some medical care - the similarity in societies such as Japan causes problems but ethnic diversity can as well!
We have a couple of women for whom we cannot find compatible blood in Australia! I wish they would stop having kids!!!! We need donors from their ethnic group but many carry transmissible diseases so that doesn't work.
My area of expertise so I find it fascinating - apologies to those who don't! 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ I think that's a great point and a rarely discussed benefit of immigration: keep the gene pool diverse! |
Our gene pool is already reasonably. 28% of the population was born overseas. Add in the number of first generation Australians and you're up around half of the population.
Immigration in general is a different question to how we allow immigrants in and what criteria we use to select them. |
I just read this "improve gene pool diversity though immigration" line properly, and it is worth pointing out how ignorant of evolutionary biology it is. Intra-species diversity will strengthen a population to the extent that it injects individuals with new strengths which, via natural selection, outcompete and eliminate weaker individuals. In a modern, civilized society that is clearly not going to happen. The modern theology of diversity is probably unassailable by reason, but that does not place it above reason. Sheesh.
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