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stui magpie
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Nail hits head dead on. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Mugwump
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^ There is a lot to like in the article, but I thought it was about the failing "progressive" (ptui!) agenda more generally, not about political correctness - ie the attempt to curtail free speech and thought through policing language and pathologising dissent.
I also agree that the "anti-political correctness" gambit can be an excuse for some thoroughly unpleasant people on the right to exercise their rather hateful views - but there are ways to deal with them without imposing a neo-Marxist curb on "acceptable" speech and thought.
In that regard, keep an ear open for how often the word "unacceptable" is used by mainstream Left when oppositional views are aired - it tells you a lot. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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stui magpie
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Yeah, all the actual real homophobes, racists etc leverage there way in, using the progressives over use of those terms as cover.
When non racist people get branded racists for spouting an opinion that differs to the progressive cant, what term is left to describe the real racists?
(replace racist with multiple other 'ists', the example still applies) _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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HAL
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The past is history, the future a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it is called "the present". |
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stui magpie
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HAL wrote: | The past is history, the future a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it is called "the present". |
there's actually no such thing as the present, only the past, which is written, and the future which is yet to be written _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Mugwump
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
Yeah, all the actual real homophobes, racists etc leverage there way in, using the progressives over use of those terms as cover.
When non racist people get branded racists for spouting an opinion that differs to the progressive cant, what term is left to describe the real racists?
(replace racist with multiple other 'ists', the example still applies) |
For sure. There are lots of deplorables on both sides of politics. I often think that the real divide is not between left and right, but between the 5% of fanatics and extremists, on the one hand, and those who accept that different views can be held in good faith, on the other. Sadly, in most conflicts, it's the extremists who hold everyone else hostage.
Within the second category (those who accept that different views can be held in good faith) is that precious reserve of folks who are actually prepared to adjust their views in the light of evidence and experience, and think outside their prejudices. They are the 5% at the other end of the normal curve from the extremists. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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stui magpie
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Different curve. I like it.
it's still a bell curve, but a different one. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pi
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Location: SA
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Mugwump wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Yeah, all the actual real homophobes, racists etc leverage there way in, using the progressives over use of those terms as cover.
When non racist people get branded racists for spouting an opinion that differs to the progressive cant, what term is left to describe the real racists?
(replace racist with multiple other 'ists', the example still applies) |
For sure. There are lots of deplorables on both sides of politics. I often think that the real divide is not between left and right, but between the 5% of fanatics and extremists, on the one hand, and those who accept that different views can be held in good faith, on the other. Sadly, in most conflicts, it's the extremists who hold everyone else hostage.
Within the second category (those who accept that different views can be held in good faith) is that precious reserve of folks who are actually prepared to adjust their views in the light of evidence and experience, and think outside their prejudices. They are the 5% at the other end of the normal curve from the extremists. |
As I see it, there is likely to be an emergence of a new center of the political divide, the apparent rise of far right political parties is only a symptom of lack of choice in the minds of voters and a lack of objectivity in mainstream media and political parties. _________________ Pi = Infinite = Collingwood = Always
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Pies4shaw
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Since all of Australia's viable political parties (including the ALP and the Greens) are moderate centre-right parties, where do you see that "centre" emerging? The "centre" line has crept past the right half-forward flank since the 1980s. |
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Pi
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depends of where your center is, if your at university reading Karl Marx and Franz Boas then everyone else is a nazi, but most people live in the real world. _________________ Pi = Infinite = Collingwood = Always
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Pies4shaw
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Not many of those in the commercial law firm I lead, so I wouldn't know. |
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stui magpie
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Since all of Australia's viable political parties (including the ALP and the Greens) are moderate centre-right parties, where do you see that "centre" emerging? The "centre" line has crept past the right half-forward flank since the 1980s. |
Did you mean to post this in the drugs thread? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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HAL
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Are we still talking about replace racist with multiple other 'ists' the example applies ? |
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Jezza
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Since all of Australia's viable political parties (including the ALP and the Greens) are moderate centre-right parties. |
Sounds like something Red Flag newspaper would say. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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David
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On the Greens, yes, perhaps (I think by most measures they're centre-left, although they have moved closer to the centre since Di Natale took over). But most political scientists place the ALP on the centre-right – that one shouldn't be controversial. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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