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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:31 am
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David wrote:
I find Leunig often politically didactic and that his whimsy becomes a little less cute when he's asking us to take him seriously (see his anti-vaccination cartoons etc.). But I do have a book of some of his '70s work which I feel is more impressive and interesting than what he's doing today, and I do understand the regard he is held in.

Perhaps I find the political cartoon a strange art form in general it's great at pointing out hypocrisy and irony, but otherwise I find it the art form that is most naturally disposed to propaganda. Leak's work in particular rarely seemed funny or insightful; it really did seem like it belonged in the right-wing counterpart to some revolutionary leftist tract say, the Spectator. Perhaps it's a testament to where the Australian has moved politically that Leak was their go-to cartoonist.

Oh, and Jezza, I really must respond to your claim that he was a 'free speech hero'. Let's get one thing straight: those of us who are passionate about defending free speech are often called upon to defend crude, idiotic, deliberately offensive work. Being the subject of a censorship row is not inherently praiseworthy; any bigot or empty provocateur can do that. Let us reserve our praise for those who have actually done something to advance the cause of freedom of expression, as opposed to those whose chief purpose in life is to serve as the thin edge of the wedge.


I didn't know Leunig had turned into an anti-vaxxer, David. That is a shame, if so, but it is the 70s and 80s work that I am familiar with, and it is often poignant, generous and very original. I agree that Leak's work seems a bit like propaganda, and it is too often shot through with what seems like spite, rather than wit. It's not worthless, but it's not high quality just because it is "edgy".

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:54 pm
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"Trevor was a sports enthusiast, an avid golfer and a member of the Collingwood Football Club to the end. But he cringed at the profiteering so frequently visible at the highest levels of professional sport. He believed that human values, and the lives of athletes, too often were sacrificed on the altar of success and, ultimately, the altar of profit.

Trevors world view had been shaped by his father, who was a member of the Communist Party. Accumulation of wealth on one end, Trevor often said, is equal to accumulation of misery on the other end. He grew more radical with age, rather than more conservative. In retirement, most settle down and smell the roses; Trevor joined the socialists and paid dues to the CFMEU."


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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:02 pm
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If he was paying fees to the CFMEU without being forced to, he must have really lost his mind toward the end
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sherrife Scorpio

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:33 pm
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If he was paying fees to the CFMEU without being forced to, he must have really lost his mind toward the end


Nah, just indicates that he strongly supported working class people in one of the most dangerous industries getting organised against the shonky builders that dominate the industry.

From supporting the Pies to the CFMEU, same smart guy, same excellent instincts.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:39 pm
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Please don't put Collingwood and the CFMEU in the same sentence, it makes me feel ill as a Collingwood supporter.

You know what CFMEU stands for? Come **** My Employer Up.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:14 pm
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A more charitable obituary from Guy Rundle:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/03/13/rundle-an-obituary-for-bill-leak/

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An obituary for Bill Leak, and his monstrous exploitation by The Australian
Guy Rundle


De Mortuis Nisi Nil Bonum, especially when you suspect your exit may be in the same manner as the decedent. In this case, Bill Leak, who after 30-plus years of high-functioning alcoholism, drug use, injury and mishap, and a decade cleanish after the last of these, has died at the age of 61. Rock star heart, they call it, the vital muscle hard as a hockey puck from overwork. Sixty-one is young to check out. Leak is lucky he got that. That pitch off the balcony that nearly killed him also saved him.

De Mortuis Nisi Nil Bonum. Leak was a great artist, a genuine master, and he was a genuinely funny cartoonist about once a week, which is about as often as anyone is genuinely funny. Good newspapers rotate their cartoonists for that reason, but the Oz needed Leak, as a forward force for their multi-front culture war.

The Left hounded him to death, said his far less talented mate Rowan Dean. Bill was obsessive, working to 4am. So 30 years of $$%^%%$ your own shit up, and then, in grand fashion, replacing the piss with politics of an obsessive order, something the Oz editors were only too happy to use. Who killed Bill Leak? I, said the ed, wanting four cartoons a week.

De Mortuis Nisi Nil Bonum, but really, the man is being utterly overrated. Bill Leak was the most courageous man I knew, said Greg Sheridan in the Pravda-style memorial to him on the weekend. He was outdone by Jennifer Oriel this morning, it what may be the worst piece of writing published in a major paper in the last 20 years, something that does not appear to have been even cursorily edited. What sort of service is this to a colleague, to use his death as something more to lob out of the trenches? How pathetic. How shaming. How absurd too, for their argument that the vociferous criticism Leak received from many quarters over past years hurried him onto his demise. Surely that would indicate that words are not simply the exchange of free speech, but have a material power. I mean, if you thought, really thought, that criticism could directly cause fatal heart attacks, what person would not consider curbs on free speech, what monster would not consider restrictions upon them? Dean, Oriel and others appear to be using Leaks death to make Gillian Triggs argument about the justification for 18C, that words are acts.

De Mortuis Nisi Nil Bonum, but Leak was like many right-wing cartoonists (Spooner in a different mode is another example): men, mostly men, whose artistic ability limits their capacity for reflection on the source of their own beliefs. Left-wing cartoonists like Petty or Pope retain their ratiocinative ability. Right-sided ones collapse into muttering misanthropy, let themselves be put to work by forces who couldnt give a shit about the genuine artistry that goes into a cartoon. Leak needed such in the end, because hed lost a lot of his friends from the libertarian left, and a lot of the beliefs that animated him in his more expansive, optimistic years. Hes not the only one to use politics to stay off the piss, but hes the most spectacular example of it. His oeuvre will last, but like most of us, hell be forgotten in five minutes, and this Stalinist hagiography hes been used for will look embarrassing and cynical.

De Mortuis Nisi Nil Bonum.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:11 pm
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yeah, grundle.

It's interesting that leak polarises opinion so much. Are the lefties so put out that the same edge he used to support their causes was turned against them?

I can't help wondering if he changed much after the accident that nearly killed him.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:38 am
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/18/arts/chuck-berry-dead.html?_r=0
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:47 am
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Sad day for Rock n Roll. One of the first lead breaks I learned playing guitar. RIP Chuck.
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"The main guy was Louis Jordan. I wanted to sing like Nat Cole, with lyrics like Louis Jordan with the swing of Bennie Goodman with Charlie Christian on guitar, playing Carl Hogan's riffs, with the soul of Muddy Waters."

Now, there's an aspiration for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57rrb_95PGU
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:46 pm
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The Rock'N'Roll National Anthem, as George Thorogood calls it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFo8-JqzSCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-Klg8ca10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDD2wYePlVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zxoGFjFJlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV11HRcbCJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJI69DPNBVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGLMcrWrS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlJclT1lMBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zil2_HXgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U75VmCiD9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPVoMHRtyg
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm
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90, passed at home, nice.

Brilliant memories, such great songs, for ALL generations,

Have a well deserved RIP.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:27 pm
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Buddy Holly, Elvis, john lennon, brian jones, Bowie, Michael Jackson, Jim Morrison, Johnny Cash, etc, well fellas, the real King of Rock n roll, the immortal Chuck Berry, has just arrived to lead the Band. Rock on !!

Rest in Peace Chuck, you truly were the last man standing. Cool Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:08 pm
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First man up, one of the last to fall

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Wow, Sad. Wonderful musician.
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