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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:13 am
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With Anthony Rocca, it was "inside 75". With Clokey, it's always been "outside 50s".
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:54 am
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It is an indicator of the potential opportunities at goal and depending on results can give a good insight into which teams take advantage of these opportunities and those that do not have the fire power. Few stats in the modern game give a great deal of insight in isolation.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:59 am
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Cam wrote:
Or what their scoring efficiency was when it did. The two combine to tell the story.


Cam, bang on. For mine scoring shots are a huge indicator. All year - and through all of footy history - bad kicking is bad footy. How many games this year did teams only have 2 less scoring shots and lose by 40+ points. Ridiculous.

Last night at one point the Cats only had 4 less scoring shots and they were 48 points or something down.

If they won the stat by that much it tells me either they were bombing it in with zero system (a la Collingwood style for much of this year and last) OR the Swans defenders had the game of their lives.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:01 pm
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^^Mostly bombing. They "won" the midfield battle but struggled to get any separation so they could make solid 50m entries. The Swans had much more space in which to deliver the ball and hence hit more targets.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:12 pm
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Inside 50s can also be misleading if the opposition spacing has them clearing and switching through the 50 m arc i guess
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:51 pm
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Inside 50 should be looked at with other stats, such as marks inside 50 and scores from inside 50's.

If a team gets plenty of ball inside 50 but fails to take marks and/or score, it tells you a clear picture that they're getting their hands on the ball in midfield but aren't hitting targets.

So it's not an irrelevant stat, it's an indicator. It tells you something about how you played when you combine it with others.

You can win contested ball and get beaten.

You can win uncontested ball and get beaten.

You can get more total disposals than the opposition and can get beaten.

There's only one statistic that is guaranteed to win you the game, and that's if the sum of your goals and behinds is more points than the opposition, you win.

All of the others are indicators.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:27 pm
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burnsy17 wrote:
Inside 25 is a more relevant stat


Inside the two big sticks is even more relevant. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:53 pm
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At club level, they pay more attention to repeated entries inside 50.
This stat helps them see how the defence and mid field has set up in regard to regaining possession for a repeat entry ( or not )
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:10 pm
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Pies2016 wrote:
At club level, they pay more attention to repeated entries inside 50.
This stat helps them see how the defence and mid field has set up in regard to regaining possession for a repeat entry ( or not )


Should be the quality of entry rather then the number.


It's like when the club says we were the top 3 for DE in the last 10 rounds that may be true BUT how did we move the ball crab kicking 20m to the left may give you a good DE but it doesn't help with ball movement.

Ditto with our movement into the f50 usually just haphazard entries.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:51 am
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In tonight's match, the Dogs had 68 inside 50s to the Giants 45 but only won by a goal.

Make of that what you will.

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Jezza wrote:
In tonight's match, the Dogs had 68 inside 50s to the Giants 45 but only won by a goal.

Make of that what you will.


The Dogs missed at least 7 easy shots. Dominated the game forward of centre. Only GWS brilliance/efficiency due to sublime skill (first round draft picks) kept them in the game.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:03 pm
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That Whitfield guy is a gun.
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Raw Hammer wrote:
Jezza wrote:
In tonight's match, the Dogs had 68 inside 50s to the Giants 45 but only won by a goal.

Make of that what you will.


The Dogs missed at least 7 easy shots. Dominated the game forward of centre. Only GWS brilliance/efficiency due to sublime skill (first round draft picks) kept them in the game.


The dogs were all set to smash the giants until they lost their ruckman for the night and had to switch their full forward into the ruck. for the rest of the night they got smashed in the ruck and had no tall marking power in front of goals. To win under those circumstances was a gutsy effort.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:59 pm
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I think the OP is looking at it from the wrong angle.
Inside 50's tell a story. A little like the possession stat or territory stat in soccer. Doesn't tell you who won but can suggest how the flow of the game went.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:06 pm
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Inside 50s as a stat, are less relevant these days because so many clubs choose to set up with an extra in defence. It's very difficult to score with the first entry into your own forward 50. As I said in my earlier post, repeat inside 50s are far more important because it becomes easier to score if the extra man in defence is caught out of position.
It's a little known stat ( repeat inside 50s ) that the Hawks led every year throughout their prime. Obviously it helps that their execution was so much better than anyone else too.
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