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Wokko Pisces

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:17 pm
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http://www.theage.com.au/comment/fairness-apparently-a-missing-dimension-in-abbotts-political-calculations-20160129-gmgt3d.html

A good piece from Amanda Vanstone on why Tone should walk away.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:49 am
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Cry me a river Wokko!
You know as well as I do that Amanda is only saying this because she considers Tony electoral poison!
(and she's not that far wrong (for once), err or is that Far Right?).

fwitw I was watching her on the ABC this a.m and she was waffling on about her time in retailing and trying draw an metaphor or an analogy and then applying that to current politics.
"Too many Geriatric Libs are staying in parlaiment staying on far too long!" (Brony and Tony I think she meant) and how if you hang on to old stock for too long (roses in this case) and don't get any new one's in it doesn't give new stock a chance to hit shelves and bloom...or something like that anyway...
What ever point she was trying to make I can tell you from experience that horse-shit is what roses need to bloom and that's exactly what I was hearing, so again she was pretty close to the Money.
Anyway, strike me pink (rose pink I suppose), I didn't think people from her side of politics (the looney right) were into "renewables"!
There was another recently "pruned" Lib that tried the "I know retail because my pappy was fish monger" line that told us property prices weren't too expensive because if they were (too expensive) people wouldn't be buying it!!!" (I'm not buying that "The one that got away" line either) He didn't seem to care that most of this buying was being done by foreigners (and putting yet another nail in the once proud ideal of the Aussie dream of owning your own home) as long as they weren't buying any houses anywhere near him (Rose Bay in this case). I think he was refering to the Chinese (it was all ways hard to know exactly what Average Joe was on about except when it came to cigar chomping and I know he was pretty good at that).
Well I've spent most of time in retail and know precious little about politics but something is starting to smell fishy here. (What is it with the Roses?)
1 thing I do know that if you don't give the people what they want (or start treating them like idiots) you soon go broke but that doesn't seem to apply to politics.
I was in retail (and spent no time in politics) so what would I know about these things except to say no politician I've ever heard of left parliament smelling of roses!
*Bob Brown was the exception but he was a horse of a different colour and took no sh-it from anyone!!

btw Wokko, that Toupee your now sporting is making you look (and sound) even more ridiculous than you usually do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cA0NM5RAY0


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David Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:05 am
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Abbott must be incredibly deluded if he thinks that he could become PM again. But that's politicians for you, I guess. I kind of see where Vanstone is coming from re: playing into the hands of the media's desire to destabilise, but mostly I just want him and the other dinosaurs to move on so that the Liberal Party can properly evolve and get with the 21st century.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:27 am
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David wrote:
Abbott must be incredibly deluded


That was his problem when he was the P.M and one good clip over the ear (by his own party) is not enough to change that side of tony's character.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:11 pm
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I don't think Abbott is deluded. There have been examples of come-backs in Aus politics - Howard and Rudd come to mind.

I can't see it happening any time soon for the crazy monk. His best bet to win the Lib leadership is sometime down the track when Labour is back in power. He is a proven election winner and the Libs will be tempted to re-install him to regain power.
Can't forget his deplorable behaviour as opposition leader when he manged to scare the swinging voters with his three word slogans etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:44 pm
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npalm wrote:
Can't forget his deplorable behaviour as opposition leader when he manged to scare the swinging voters with his three word slogans etc.


Can't see that tactic working again if Abbott is appointed as the Opposition leader IF the ALP get voted in. You cant fool ALL the people ALL the time. Rolling Eyes

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:31 pm
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npalm wrote:
I don't think Abbott is deluded. There have been examples of come-backs in Aus politics - Howard and Rudd come to mind.

I can't see it happening any time soon for the crazy monk. His best bet to win the Lib leadership is sometime down the track when Labour is back in power. He is a proven election winner and the Libs will be tempted to re-install him to regain power.
Can't forget his deplorable behaviour as opposition leader when he manged to scare the swinging voters with his three word slogans etc.


Howard and Rudd still reflected more or less mainstream opinion when they came back. Abbott was seen as a bit of an extremist even by his supporters when he got in, and time (and memory of his actions as PM) won't be kind to him.

He'll always be remembered as the guy who knighted Prince Phillip. We'll be a republic long before he lives that one down. How could anyone ever take him seriously again?

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Wokko Pisces

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:36 pm
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Abbott was always beholden to Credlin and in the face of pretty much his whole party telling him to ditch her and Hockey he chose not to.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:18 pm
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She was just doing the job he asked her to, however. As you say, he could have easily sacked her at any time if he'd felt she was giving him poor advice. Either way it doesn't make him look very competent.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:52 pm
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David wrote:
Abbott must be incredibly deluded if he thinks that he could become PM again. But that's politicians for you, I guess. I kind of see where Vanstone is coming from re: playing into the hands of the media's desire to destabilise, but mostly I just want him and the other dinosaurs to move on so that the Liberal Party can properly evolve and get with the 21st century.


Delusions are helped when other people support them, and there's still a few apparently who would encourage him to stay and fight on.

The other point pushing him to stay would be potentially the realisation that while he was a very effective opposition leader, his performance as PM wouldn't have him being flooded with job opportunities other than the occasionally speaking gig.

Personally I think he should just rack off. His leaving could help shed the far right nutjobs polluting the party and help drag more of their social policies into the latter stages of the 20th century.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:54 pm
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Wokko wrote:
Abbott was always beholden to Credlin.


IN what way?
Like Jim Hacker was beholden to Sir Humphrey Appleby?
Or because he/she oversaw the demise of Holden (and every other manufacturing concern he could lay his grubby fists on?)?
Either way, if a P.M is ruled by his advisor he really shouldn't have the office in the first place!

Perhaps that's why he trashed the office in the last place!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-19/marble-table-a-casualty-of-rowdy-abbott-party/6865510


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