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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:16 pm
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Scrapping the NBN is Rupe's reward all right. When will this country free itself from the web of this bloated spider?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:09 pm
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Tannin wrote:
Whereas if you believe what Turnbull and the Liberal Party says about most things, you are loopier than a cereal box, and if you believe anything that Turnbull and the Liberal Party says about the NBN they are so busy wrecking, you are so damn loopy we could put you in as bowl and pour milk over you anytime we need some instant high-fat tooth decay.

Thanks, I'll take what the people actually doing the work say. Every time.


Well, if there's bags on stuff it's the people "doing the work" who put them there.

The CEPU agenda has been transparently clear for 15-20 years. Anyone sucked in by their news releases need apply for the cereal bowl as above. Wink

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Who couldn't have seen this except people so dumb they shouldn't be commenting on the matter?

As Keating said when Turnbull embarrassingly screwed up over the Godwin Gretch affair, "Malcolm lacks judgement". And now it's time to put the spotlight on the fraudulent bastard before he locks us into a monumentally shortsighted error.

Turnbull's fake PR efforts to pretend he's the moderate in the Deranged Abbott government will look increasingly bad faith as the future of technology becomes clearer. The primary problem was never the Gliberal obsession with the bottom line; that was a PR strategy to deceive ordinary Australians. Rather, the problem was that the top line of returns to super-fast broadband was always grossly conservative as you can't compute the value of something like Real-time 3D Motion Computing and Manufacturing without being futuristic (or, better put, "venturistic").

This is ever the scumbag conservative trick: Scare people on the bottom line so you can deceive them into thinking the top line doesn't matter.

As companies from Intel to Google to small Silicon Valley startups will tell you, the top line of transformative technology is a blue sky, and the challenge is to build the right platform to take advantage of that social transformation when it arrives. And if you don't think remote manufacturing based on 3D printing and whole-of-society analytics based on 360-degree sensors are coming then please head over to the horse and cart thread.

Traditional capital is simply the wrong entity to control this sort of investment, as evidenced by the fact that everywhere else on the planet it is either a government or venture capital (in pockets) or no one doing this job. But no, in Dunderheads Down Under Land they put strategic early life cycle infrastructure in the hands of backward restrictive parasites who want to lock in fixed and predictable returns today at the expense of the top line. That might help Gina get her tax cut and Rupert to keep some control over elections, but it won't help you or your children or the value of your assets.

The Aged Highlighting the Extremely Obvious Based on Another Report wrote:
A confidential draft analysis of the Coalition's broadband project, prepared by NBN Co during the caretaker period for the incoming government and obtained by Fairfax Media, raises numerous concerns over the projected profitability of a fibre-to-the-node alternative.

The analysis warns that profitability would "likely be difficult to sustain" without a transition to a full fibre optic network over time.

...

The Coalition had "introduced a couple of elements that are going to dramatically undercut the profitability of the company", he said, noting it would have to carry the as-yet-unknown cost of fixing Telstra's copper network.

"Not being able to offer a top-tier service is one of them," Senator Ludlam said. "Also, the Coalition has to take on an asset [Telstra's copper network] that is in fairly poor disrepair. So, you've got increased costs and reduced revenues.

...

Under the previous government, NBN Co estimated the planned $37.4 billion fibre-to-the-premises network would earn a 7 per cent internal rate of return after the rollout was completed, with revenue increasing over time as customers purchased new services that took advantage of faster broadband, and more customers signed on.

Technical limitations of the $29.5 billion fibre-to-the-node technology would prevent NBN Co from offering high-speed services, the report warns, precluding businesses and heavy home internet users from the network and compromising profitability.

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/funding-for-coalitions-alternative-nbn-may-require-rethink-20131211-hv5a6.html

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:27 pm
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Are we ever over the previous government NBN Co estimated the planned $37point 4 billion fibre-to-the-premises network would earn a 7 per cent internal rate of return after the rollout was completed with revenue increasing over time as customers purchased new services that took advantage of broadband and more customers signed on?
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First the whiff of dark Godwin Gretch-like dealings:

zdnet wrote:
Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rejected suggestions that his personal relationship — including the co-ownership of a boat — with a senior NBN Co executive, will influence the organisation's operations.

Turnbull is due to release a National Broadband Network (NBN) strategic review on Thursday, a document that has been compiled under the company's head of strategy and transformation, JB Rousselot.

Federal Labor on Wednesday highlighted the minister's co-ownership of a yacht with Rousselot.

"Given this fact, how can we believe anything that this report says?" Shadow Communications Minister Jason Clare asked.

Turnbull was flattered to hear his "ancient couta boat" referred to as a yacht, before defending Rousselot's credentials.

"JB Rousselot has done an outstanding job in heading the transformation and review at the NBN Co, and I would have thought that the honourable members opposite had a little more class than to sink to the character assassination," Turnbull told parliament.

The minister said Rousselot, an engineer, is well qualified for his role with NBN Co, having worked in the telecommunications sector for more than a decade.

Rousselot was absent from a hearing of the Senate Select committee on the NBN due to the company working to finalise the strategic review ahead of its release tomorrow.

In the hearing on Wednesday morning, former Labor Communications Minister Stephen Conroy took to task a "smart-arse" NBN Co chief marketing officer Kieren Cooney, who questioned whether there was a quorum for the hearing at Parliament House.

"Anytime you want to wander down and be a smart arse in the chamber of the Senate or the parliament ... you will discover that they don't operate with 19 senators in the chamber at all times," he said.

When Cooney moved to close down the hearing, he was told that only senators, not those fronting the committee, were entitled to make the quorum call.

"So much for NBN Co wanting to participate and have scrutiny," Conroy said, adding that its executives had a responsibility to answer all of his questions because they are paid by the taxpayers.

Conroy's initial frustration stemmed from the executives' refusal to acknowledge documents that had been leaked from NBN Co.

Turnbull said in Question Time that all would be revealed tomorrow.

"Tomorrow, we will hear the truth about the NBN. The Labor party does not want to hear it," Turnbull said.

The Register of Members' Interests today revealed that Turnbull has invested in at least three overseas telecommunications companies: Telefonica in Spain, as well as Clearwire and Sprint in the United States.


http://www.zdnet.com/au/stop-the-boat-talk-nbns-operations-matter-more-turnbull-7000024162/

Then another Abbott "government" backflip of epic proportions based on the now tainted and cronyistic reports commissioned by Sleazy Malcolm's Millionaire Mates:

news.com.au wrote:
THE new national broadband network will deliver slower speeds and cost up to $30 billion extra to deliver than its predecessor, it has emerged.

Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull revealed there will be a $28.8 billion increase in costs for the whole project when completed in 11 years time, and the NBN will not complete its first stage by 2016 as first predicted.

That means the Government won't be able to deliver its promise of everyone having access to at least 25mbps of broadband by 2016.
Mr Turnbull was delivering the findings of a 134-page report on his scheme to replace Labor's scheme.

The review said the full cost of the Turnbull option would be $72.9 billion and not the initial estimate of $44.1 billion.

Mr Turnbull said by 2019 nine out of 10 Australians will have access to download rates of at least 50mbps and some as much as 100 maps.
But the rollout of the network will not be completed until 2024.



Well it's great to see things are getting done for Gina and Rupert now "the adults" are in charge.

Yes, Australia, Sleazy Malcolm's Millionaire Mates first lied to you, then commissioned a cronyistic deceitful study, then got their own numbers wrong, then broke their promise to you, then blamed it all on the former government, and now have decided you can't afford fast broadband, so you won't be getting it.

Yep, impoverished developing nations will be getting the economic and employment benefits of serious broadband before you do. Why? Because Gina needs a tax cut and Rupert will miss having a say in the elections of his old homeland.

Who elected these corrupt scum bags? This is surely the most incompetent, creepy, cronyistic, spineless, sold-out, globally embarrassing and internationally dangerous government in Australian history. Already.

Edit: Here's the link for that second quote from news.com.au: http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/new-slower-national-broadbank-network-to-cost-30-billion-more-than-labors-previous-plan/story-fnjwncel-1226781570899

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:21 pm
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I wonder when Turnbull will publish the actual truth...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:37 pm
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pietillidie wrote:
I wonder when Turnbull will publish the actual truth...


& The Mad Misogynist Miners Media Monopoly Monk has said he wants to be known as he infrastructure PM. Rolling Eyes

Lying bastards again. Their antiquated option was seen as bullshit by anyone in the know in IT, that is beyond debate.

Now we know that they can't even do basic sums & have miscalculated by billions.

Then appoint a mate to head this up.

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pietillidie wrote:
I wonder when Turnbull will publish the actual truth...


Gold PTID. Called it like it is.

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From the report it seems that NBNco itself isn't equipped for the task, either the original plan or the new/shitty plan. Why wasn't the NBN put to tender rather than creating a government owned monopoly from scratch?

Also Turnbull has been acting like a total wanker over the whole issue which doesn't gel with what I've seen of his personality before. Is he over compensating because he doesn't believe in what he's selling? I've worked in sales before and pushing a product you don't believe in is a pretty taxing task.
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Why wasn't the NBN put to tender rather than creating a government owned monopoly from scratch?


Because getting rid of the dead hand of monopoly was the whole point of the NBN in the first place. Well, half the point. We absolutely positively had to break the dead hand of Telstra, not just because of Telstra's sky-high prices and lousy, unreliable, low-tech service, but also because Telstra was not even slightly interested in spending any money to upgrade any service unless that service was one which a competitor might take away from them. So they spent lots on wireless because Optus and Vodafail would spank them unless they stayed ahead, but they spent nothing on cable-in-ground (which is 90% of the traffic volume and where all of the heavy lifting takes place). Well, as little as possible, which was next to nothing.

To build the new national network, first they had to destroy the Telstra monopoly. And they did. Lok at the massive, unbelievable difference in Telstra's service standards now and in Sol Tredickhead's day. Why? Because they are busily preparing for a future in which they are just another telco with no super monopoly powers anymore, and that means they have to actually get customers to like them. What a breath of fresh air it has been for customers! And what a massive, massive boost to business too.

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Tannin wrote:
Wokko wrote:
Why wasn't the NBN put to tender rather than creating a government owned monopoly from scratch?


Because getting rid of the dead hand of monopoly was the whole point of the NBN in the first place. Well, half the point. We absolutely positively had to break the dead hand of Telstra, not just because of Telstra's sky-high prices and lousy, unreliable, low-tech service, but also because Telstra was not even slightly interested in spending any money to upgrade any service unless that service was one which a competitor might take away from them. So they spent lots on wireless because Optus and Vodafail would spank them unless they stayed ahead, but they spent nothing on cable-in-ground (which is 90% of the traffic volume and where all of the heavy lifting takes place). Well, as little as possible, which was next to nothing.

To build the new national network, first they had to destroy the Telstra monopoly. And they did. Lok at the massive, unbelievable difference in Telstra's service standards now and in Sol Tredickhead's day. Why? Because they are busily preparing for a future in which they are just another telco with no super monopoly powers anymore, and that means they have to actually get customers to like them. What a breath of fresh air it has been for customers! And what a massive, massive boost to business too.

I see Moderate Malcolm has finally wrested back some value for investors in anti-competitive monopoly Telstra. Was this part of his cost-benefit analysis?

Telstra secures $390m NBN contract

The Australian wrote:
TELSTRA has secured a contract to provide planning and design for the National Broadband Network worth up to $390 million.

UNDER the contract, the telco will prepare network plans and designs to support NBN Co's multi-technology rollout which includes fibre to the node, fibre to the basement and fibre to the premises.

The contract is expected to span up to four years.
Telstra and NBN Co are continuing to discuss the provision of construction and maintenance services by Telstra to NBN Co on commercial terms.

Shares in Telstra rose 5.5 cents to $5.87 at 1500 AEDT.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/telstra-secures-390m-nbn-contract/story-fn3dxity-1227162011412

I did LOL at this:

ZDNet wrote:
Given the company's knowledge of its own network and experience in constructing networks in Australia, Telstra is in a key position to win the construction for the NBN. However, Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said on Sunday that it would be a competitive process.

NBN Co CEO Bill Morrow said on Sunday that Telstra's experience is valuable to NBN Co.

"Telstra does have 11 decades of existence of the company that they have learned to build out and manage the copper networks," he said.

Telstra said on Friday that it is in discussions with NBN Co on contracts for construction and maintenance.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-to-design-and-plan-multi-technology-mix-nbn/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

Bwahaha "competitive process" Laughing Is that in the same sense the term "cost-benefit analysis" includes the word "benefit" except when applied to a CBA of the NBN?

All this snake has done has cost-shift to the public to save his investor mates. Turnbull is just another slimy, creepy Glib bastard—he's just better at hiding it.

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How Malcolm stuffed the NBN: Why it's slow, expensive & obsolete

"...The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us. Instead the Coalition's NBN will be so slow that it is obsolete by the time it's in place, it will cost about the same as Labor's fibre-to-the-premises NBN, and it won't arrive on our doorsteps much sooner...".

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-nbn-why-its-slow-expensive-and-obsolete-20150908-gji0pr.html

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watt price tully wrote:
How Malcolm stuffed the NBN: Why it's slow, expensive & obsolete

"...The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us. Instead the Coalition's NBN will be so slow that it is obsolete by the time it's in place, it will cost about the same as Labor's fibre-to-the-premises NBN, and it won't arrive on our doorsteps much sooner...".

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-nbn-why-its-slow-expensive-and-obsolete-20150908-gji0pr.html
We are heading back to dial up days. That is their plan to stop piracy.
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Another wondrous Abbott government failure. Just how much more do these idiots get to wreck before leaving office? You could divine the entrails of road kill for better policy, leadership and management.

Their horrific judgement on almost everything is surely an Australian record.

And Moderate Malcolm, whose Monumental Muckup this is, is the single talented and sane Glib in the entire party!

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watt price tully wrote:
How Malcolm stuffed the NBN: Why it's slow, expensive & obsolete

"...The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us. Instead the Coalition's NBN will be so slow that it is obsolete by the time it's in place, it will cost about the same as Labor's fibre-to-the-premises NBN, and it won't arrive on our doorsteps much sooner...".

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-nbn-why-its-slow-expensive-and-obsolete-20150908-gji0pr.html


Now he is PM Shocked

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