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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:07 pm
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I actually don't think that (sexual promiscuity) has changed much in the last 30 years.

Young people will be promiscuous, most people once in a relationship, aren't. That's how it is now and how it was when I was 18.

What we didn't have 30 years ago was smart phones and internet, if you wanted to take DIY porn pics you needed a polaroid camera and sharing them involved showing people the photo

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And what else we didn't have 30 years ago was Aids.
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And what else we didn't have 30 years ago was Aids.


yeah we did, the epidemic started in the early 80s, but was around long before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS

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think positive wrote:
Tannin wrote:
And what else we didn't have 30 years ago was Aids.


yeah we did, the epidemic started in the early 80s, but was around long before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS


Still had all the other STD's too.

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Never caught any, Stui, and it wasn't for lack of opportunity. Those were different times. I don't think I could be bothered with promiscuity these days if I was 20 again, it wouldn't be a patch on the glorious late 70s and early 80s.





PS: My best-ever pick-up line
Me: "Do you have any communicable diseases?"
Her: "No."
Me: "Would you like some?"

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Hah, did it ever work?
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I'm clean too, no issues. I sort of missed the late 70's and early 80's and just when I looked like hitting my straps I ended up first in a relationship then as a single parent.

But never mind, I'm single now. Even though sometimes it's like trying to shoot pool with a length of rope, got no major arguments. Wink Cool

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you never shouldabeen honest with that young thing last year, should ya!!
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you never shouldabeen honest with that young thing last year, should ya!!


Now now Jo, it's all about timing. You can't grab manically at every opportunity, some you have to let go.

Like when I take my mum and son out for dinner in the bush, picking up isn't a real high priority. Wink

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But, and here's the catch, those who think it's too hard or unhealthy to fight, for whatever reason, should at least support those who are fighting, as mad as they might be.


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Moral relativism doesn't stop me from holding progressive social values. Like most people, I think that contemporary Australia is a better place for its inhabitants to live than Nazi Germany—not because a cosmic power has willed it so, but because citizens are on average happier, healthier and in less danger of being gassed. Likewise, I think it's empirically true that women are psychologically better off when they are treated as free, equal human beings, as opposed to chattel. That's not a moral view, it's a rational and empirical one. It's the same standard by which I judge any political issue. Some will disagree, but that's what science and logic are for: if you can prove to me that society is better off when people's personal lives are rigorously policed, or when the sexual act—one of the human species' most fundamental experiences—or the human body itself is treated as taboo, then I might come around to your view, but in the meantime reality seems to be pointing squarely in the opposite direction.

As for society holding sexual morality and chastity important, it's not the 1950s any more. The sexual revolution is old news; in many respects, sexual promiscuity is now the cultural norm. Some parts of society, I suspect, have just been a little slow to catch up (though I worry sometimes that we're regressing).

You're right about society judging and condemning the "abnormal". Welcome to the world of being homosexual at almost any point in human history. Welcome to being a Catholic in Elizabeth II's England, or being an intellectual in the middle ages. But guess what? We overcame those forms of irrational bigotry, and we can overcome these, too.


Sexual promiscuity is now the sexual norm? Who the **** do you hang out with? I don't really see how that's good for society, and certainly, the spread of things like aids points to that. Or do you blame god or Allah for THAT, trying to wipe out the evil!!

As for regressing from it, gees it hope so, I can't see how banging everyone in town is a good thing,


Perhaps promiscuity is the wrong word to use—what I meant is having sex with multiple partners over the course of a lifetime. The idea of losing your virginity on your wedding day is not only unusual these days, it's generally treated as a weird throwback to another era. Considering it was once the norm, that's a big change over the course of half a century or so.

Do you know what else is becoming the norm? Protected sex; birth control; sexual health testing. The idea that people can have the sex they want with the people they want when they want and do it ethically and healthily has become a reality.

Who would fight against people finding their own personal fulfilment this way? The same people who fight against all forms of human progress: conservatives, authoritarians, hypocrites and those who crave power over others. I think the rest of us need to keep in mind the old utilitarian principle here: if it doesn't hurt anyone, what's the problem?

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There is no progress, there is cyclic morality. Don't think your views are new and revolutionary, the 20s and 70s were both as, if not more permissive than now. The reason for all that 'outdated' morality is that people who have less partners before marriage are more likely statistically to have a permanent coupling, now whether that's simple correlation and not causality, well who knows, I'm not a statistician. Most of our morality has served to build an amazingly strong and robust society and culture. While I support acceptance and non violence towards people's life choices, I don't understand the need to have people's sexuality be on public display, and this includes nude pictures taken in private and spread around the internet. Now an exhibitionist will love this, and that's great but if such a consequence will cause grief then ensure it never happens.

One of my friends and his wife were celibate until marriage, I find the intolerance towards THEIR lifestyle from so called 'progressives' to be just as if not more hypocritical than intolerance from the moral right. At least you know a conservative christian is against overt homosexuality, a progressive feigns tolerance, but only tolerance for the things that they deem just and right.
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I don't understand the need to have people's sexuality be on public display, and this includes nude pictures taken in private and spread around the internet.


But this is just freedom of expression. It's my photograph of your erection, taken on my telephone, and I have an absolute right to publish it any way I wish. My freedom of expression does not stop where your feelings start.

(Well, all that would be true if I had your doctrinaire attitude and regarded the right to freedom of expression as being superior to all other rights, such as the right to privacy or the right not to be racially intimidated.)

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Wokko wrote:
I don't understand the need to have people's sexuality be on public display, and this includes nude pictures taken in private and spread around the internet.


But this is just freedom of expression. It's my photograph of your erection, taken on my telephone, and I have an absolute right to publish it any way I wish. My freedom of expression does not stop where your feelings start.

(Well, all that would be true if I had your doctrinaire attitude and regarded the right to freedom of expression as being superior to all other rights, such as the right to privacy or the right not to be racially intimidated.)


I've never said you can't do it, or it should be legislated against, or you should be sent to jail for taking cock photos, just that when your next hypothetical employer googles you and sees a whole page of wang, there will be consequences. Freedom of expression doesn't mean there are no consequences or that you will be free from repercussions. Just that the law and government shouldn't be involved (unless you flop it out on a bus, then other laws kick in).
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I can't speak for other progressives, but I suspect a lot of them would agree with my view that all personal choices are valid. Like your friend, one of my sisters will also be celibate until marriage; indeed, I have at least one acquaintance who is asexual. Likewise, I know people in long-term relationships who have multiple partners. I hope you won't find it radical when I say that people should do whatever they feel comfortable with, and if exhibitionism is part of that then (providing it's explored in an ethical and non-threatening way) why should that be a problem for anyone?

As I said in an earlier post, the central hypocrisy here is that most of us watch porn, or at the very least are not averse to watching films with nudity. I presume you are no exception to that rule; so, why the puritanism when it comes to ordinary people living their lives in the way they want? I understand that your commitment to libertarianism means that you don't think the state should get involved in these decisions (and I agree), but I don't know why you don't apply that logic to the commercial sector, too. For me, authoritarian oppression is just as sinister whether it comes from the government or Coles Myer group.

As for views on sexuality being cyclical, I disagree. It's true that progress doesn't travel in a straight line (in many ways, we are more conservative now than we were 40 years ago), but you've got to remember that there are still people in charge of things now who grew up prior to the sexual revolution. When lifespans are 80+ years, who can say what effect that will have on cultural change? Anyhow, as permissive as the '20s were in the context of the day, things are still much, much more permissive now. It's not a cycle so much as two steps forward, one step back, I'd say.

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